that petition which was "HIJACKED" is NOW an own goal officially

[Colemans Left Hook]

Wrigley chew on this  - I told you there was something wrong with this petition

A House of Commons spokeswoman said the petition was created on 24 May. There were 22 signatures on it at the time the referendum result was announced.

The petition's website states it was set up by an individual called William Oliver Healey, and says: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60%, based [on] a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum."

Thursday saw a 72.2% turnout, significantly higher than the 66.1% turnout at last year's general election, but below the 75% mark suggested by Mr Healey as a threshold.

In a statement posted on Facebook, a campaigner for the English Democrats party identifying himself as Oliver Healey says he started the petition "when it was looking unlikely that 'leave' were going to win, with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU".

He says the petition has since been "hijacked by the remain campaign".

READ FOR YOURSELF

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407


THE PETITION IA AN OWN GOAL (SINCE IT WAS STARTED BEFORE THE VOTING) BECAUSE PEOPLE DID NOT FAMILIARISE THEMSELVES

Deadline
25 November 2016
All petitions run for 6 months

IT SEEMS OUR WELL EDUCATED YOUTH (AT THE EXPENSE OF THE BANK OF MUM AND DAD) amongst others

can't backdate 6 months from 26th November 2016 which as we know is May  which may or may not be the name of the future Prime Miinster   (currently keeping a low profile --   )

[Sammy Chung was King]

The mp on question time, i'm sure he said were only a thousand legitimate signatures on it.

[Donnywolf]

The mp on question time, i'm sure he said were only a thousand legitimate signatures on it.

Yes he made a joke of it saying something flippant about 3000 of them are in Canada or somewhere else .... completely failing to deduct that 3000 from the 3 and a half million and rising

but a) he was a Politician and so manipulates the truth for a living and
      b) he was part of the Group that said we are paying 350 mill to the EU each week and when we get back our Country we will get that back and give it to the NHS. Some of them are already backtracking re the amount - when we may start getting it back - and that they ever said they would target the NHS for that money. One denies ever knowing it was 350 Mill so heres a clue - check the Battlebus

So I laughed his reply off but was disappointed someone did not challenge it there and then

[Donnywolf]

... and to add more , would it be beyond the wit of someone TOTALLY independent to study :

what was promised or alluded to by the Leave campaign or even perceived by the Leave Voters and then collating how many of them believe they were mis sold now they can see the performances of the Leave Camp and the rowing back they have done and ask those Vote Leavers if they would have voted Remain or indeed not voted had they have been in possession of that information before they voted

Remain voters would be highly unlikely to change the way they voted and indeed a huge maybe 90% of those who voted Leave may think they did so for the correct reasons and those reasons remain valid and unchanged SO it is only the affected Leave Voters who think they were "duped" for want of a better word that would be "active". And it would only need 50% + 1 voters of the difference between the Remain and Leave vote to surely render the Petition obsolete because this independent report would be definitive

True it would not be legally binding as indeed the Referendum is not but it would show what the Petition is trying to show without the contention

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wrigley chew on this  - I told you there was something wrong with this petition

Yes, it started by an idiot who wanted one thing but worded it so that people with different views can ask for exactly the same thing as he wanted.

There is NOTHING wrong with the petition - the wording of it has not changed since it was started. The only thing that's changed is the outcome of the referendum. And now the starter is crying like a baby because lots of other people with a different agenda are wanting to do exactly the same thing he wanted to, by supporting the petition that he himself started! Tough, if he didn't want remainers signing his petition he shouldn't have started it. Or been much more careful with his wording. And I don't give a shit if he thinks it's been 'hijacked', if that's what he thinks, it's HIS fault, no-one else's. It certainly DOES NOT invalidates the signature of anyone who signed HIS petition.

As to when it was started - irrelevant. It is still current and therefore still valid. So what if it was started in May? I know that you can't legislate retrospectively, but people are still free to sign whatever petition they like.

I will agree it's an own goal though. Oliver Healey's scored a massive own goal by showing up what a hypocritical tit he is.

[bpoolrover]

Cannot see the big deal about the petition anyway,if remain had won I'm sure leave could get a petition with 3.5 million signatures on

[RedJ]

Yeah but if Remain won, Farage would've kept pushing and pushing for EURef2, the way Sturgeon and the SNP would never have let the Indyref go.

[Donnywolf]

Yeah but if Remain won, Farage would've kept pushing and pushing for EURef2, the way Sturgeon and the SNP would never have let the Indyref go.

Correct !

Don't want to blow my own trumpet but I am on record as saying ANY majority to Remain would not stop those wanting to leave keep banging on and on and on BUT a Vote to Leave as we have got even just by 2 % would be game over. Done deal - no way back !

However the Petition is valid imo given the total fabrication of some of the "facts" and supposition and alleged things that some Leave voters MAY have voted for and can see now they personally feel duped. I respect the fact that the VAST majority of those voting to leave would not change their minds if they had to vote again tomorrow BUT only 624000 would have to have voted Leave and felt they were mis sold and the vote would have been reversed (see my Post #3 above) 

[Glyn_Wigley]

One last little thing I want CLH to give us his reasoned opinion about:

Healey started that petition because he wanted people to sign it.

They have done EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED, which is to sign it.

How can people doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED have in any way 'hijacked' his petition?

Looks like your OP is quite an own goal too.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

A petition on this either way is wrong and futile.  The biggest petition happened last Thursday.

[Colemans Left Hook]

One last little thing I want CLH to give us his reasoned opinion about:

Healey started that petition because he wanted people to sign it.

They have done EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED, which is to sign it.

How can people doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED have in any way 'hijacked' his petition?

Looks like your OP is quite an own goal too.

and i'd just put you on my christmas card  list

.... sorry you're off again

COYR

[Glyn_Wigley]

So no answer then? What an OWN GOAL!!

Quelle suprise!

[Mike_F]

Correct, BFYP.

I was very firmly in favour of remain and I was gutted to wake up to the news on Friday morning but I accept the result as binding and wish everyone would get on with it without any more carping and whining.

If some of the leave voters feel duped and have lost trust in the likes of Farage and Johnson they only have themselves to blame for voting on something without having the sense to check the facts. Yes, we all have to live with the result of the ill-informed opinion but hopefully it'll make the British public a bit more savvy and inclined to check their facts going forwards.

[Lipsy]

Even if we had another referendum (which we won't), the result would either be much the same or end up being 52-48 the other way... Frankly, given that we're leaving, I'm now at the stage where I'm mildly enjoying the lies being revealed and seeing those who were conned into voting Leave (and I have heard from folks that did that they voted "to stop the Muslims taking over"; "so that 'they' can't tell us what bananas we can buy in the supermarkets"; "so that we can get back to having green fields and cows again"; "because my Dad flew over Europe in the war; and, of course, "immigrants") enjoying the fruits of their labour. Suck it up - fill your boots. Enjoy.

I have spent the weekend in serious talks with Mrs Lipsy (who had to explain to our five-year-old boy that no, his best mate (who's half Japanese) will not be being sent back "to where he came from" as he'd heard in the playground) about whether this country is the place where we want to raise our family. This lurch to the right and what it means sickens me. It is diametrically opposed to the beliefs and the values that I hold dear, to the point where I don't recognise the place I call home.

[Colemans Left Hook]

sorry Wrigley you know the answer

let's look at this "hijacked" according to the author of it petition

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

if we click on the map

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

we can see exactly how many people voted for it in each mp's constituency
enter it at the bottom

ed milliband has 1733 signatures Doncaster north
rosie winterton 2525 Donny central
don valley 2163
there are more revelations to come about the "fixing" of this energy consuming wot petition
 

[Lipsy]

Nothing will come from this petition. Not a thing. It's a non-thing. It's A LOT of people adding their name to a list because they hate the result of this referendum. Kinda like kicking a cat or punching a wall (as my brother-in-law does when football lets him down). It's a passive-aggressive act in the digital age.

I love it that it's pissing off the Leave voters, mind. So, for that alone, Remainers should sign it.

[Copps is Magic]

I'd love to know Coleman's thoughts on 9/11, the death of princess Diana and the moon landing.

[Colemans Left Hook]

I'd love to know Coleman's thoughts on 9/11, the death of princess Diana and the moon landing.

(a) regarding the first I am quite happy to maintain the current relationship between my head and the rest of my body -- so no comment  and I don't like porridge
(b) see

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/13/september-11-saudi-arabia-congressional-report-terrorism

(c) you ? have asked this one before - someone has  "LUNATIC !"

and where is your question about the Bermuda triangle

someone - probably you - has already asked my views on that

[Jonathan]

I voted remain and won't be signing the petition. The referendum has provided a dismal and divisive smattering of non truths and scare mongering on either side and I think we'll be lucky to see anything at all good come from it. I'd have said the same if remain had edged the vote as the damage had already been done in respect of the societal impact and that would not have just gone away. The last thing the country needs is another referendum.

The outcome provides a democratic mandate for someone to instigate our departure and I think there'll be enough difficulty in agreeing who, ultimately, wants to be accountable for that. I see that dragging out for sometime, probably well after the election of the next Conservative party leader in October, without another vote muddying the waters. Currently

Farage is the only prominent voice who I think would nail his colours to that one politically, obviously from a position of absolute safety as he will never have to. Boris is already mumbling about the lack of will to imminently depart something he branded a costly and barmy threat to our liberty for months beforehand. IDS can comment on the leadership race knowing he can't really take part. Gove has been pretty quiet in the immediate aftermath of campaigning vigorously against a nazi regime. I'd have thought they'd be bashing the door down to get out after the campaign trail.

Really there should be no rational objection to immediately securing freedom from oppression and ridding ourselves of the threat to our safety and welfare, all whilst being able to plough an extra £350 million a week into our NHS and other public services. Why on earth would you delay under any circumstances? Boris has been craving an opportunity to land the top job, and he's been pretty clear that leaving is a win-win for us. So why would you distance yourself from the need to crack on imminently?

[Glyn_Wigley]

sorry Wrigley you know the answer

let's look at this "hijacked" according to the author of it petition

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

if we click on the map

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

we can see exactly how many people voted for it in each mp's constituency
enter it at the bottom

ed milliband has 1733 signatures Doncaster north
rosie winterton 2525 Donny central
don valley 2163
there are more revelations to come about the "fixing" of this energy consuming wot petition

Everybody who has signed that petition has done exactly what the starter of the petition wanted - signed it. No wording has been changed, or has the intention of the petition been altered in any way.

When something is hi-jacked, it is diverted from it's original intention. Where the petitioners live is completely irrelevant as again it does not alter the intention of the petition as it was originally written at all.

Please expalin how this is so, because I have seen no evidence of any hijacking from you or anybody else.

PS If your 'evidence' just consists of someone saying it's been hijacked, you're only going to look more foolish than you're already looking.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'd love to know Coleman's thoughts on 9/11, the death of princess Diana and the moon landing.

(a) regarding the first I am quite happy to maintain the current relationship between my head and the rest of my body -- so no comment  and I don't like porridge
(b) see

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/13/september-11-saudi-arabia-congressional-report-terrorism

(c) you ? have asked this one before - someone has  "LUNATIC !"

and where is your question about the Bermuda triangle

someone - probably you - has already asked my views on that

I'm getting the impression that CLH is Rigo's less smart twin brother.

[BobG]

Sadly I have to agree with you Glyn. I've heard of making mountains out of mole hills, but there's not even a mole hill here. It's irrelevant to his premise whether or not the petition is of any value. But what is relevant is that peoeple have voted, in their millions, exactly as requested by the gentleman who set it up in the first place. You got different glasses to me Coleman? Cos I really can't see owt wrong with that at all.

BobG