Is Corbyn senile

[Sprotyrover]

Apparently Tom Watson was unable to have a one to one with Corbyn this week as his support team said he is a 70 year old man and they were frightened he would be bullied!!!!

[Dagenham Rover]

I heard that pn the radio they were worried he would be bullied into stepping down.........wtf

[Glyn_Wigley]

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[Colemans Left Hook]

get Diane Abbott on the platform with him I'm sure he will "ri$e to the occasion"

it might "allegedly" all come back to him "at a stroke"

[wesisback]

I'll tell you something - there's no wonder the newspapers and media get away with what they do with some of the garbage picked up on here.

[Copps is Magic]

Have to agree, what tittle tattle that passes for importance for some.

Just read this article on the matter. The guy who they proposed to take over from Corbyn as part of this 'extraction deal' is supposedly Clive Lewis. Just spent a few minutes reading Lewis' twitter feed and, lo and behold, the guy is actually supporting Corbyn!

If this is a meta-ploy by labour MPs to regain the trust of the British people then I would suggest it is them who are shooting themselves in the foot.

[The Red Baron]

It now seems very unlikely that the new Tory leader / PM will attempt to call an early General Election.

Therefore I think some of the heat might be taken out of this argument - at least until the next round of local elections.

[BillyStubbsTears]

TRB

I can't see it. You can't get to this state then everyone shrug their shoulders and go home.

This has to be resolved one way or the other within the next few weeks.

[The Red Baron]

TRB

I can't see it. You can't get to this state then everyone shrug their shoulders and go home.

This has to be resolved one way or the other within the next few weeks.

I very much doubt it is over, but I think Corbyn is more likely to be able to hang on for a while now.

His opponents will of course be looking for an opportunity to remove him.

[ravenrover]

Labour + Corbyn = unelectable

[jonrover]

TRB

I can't see it. You can't get to this state then everyone shrug their shoulders and go home.

This has to be resolved one way or the other within the next few weeks.

I very much doubt it is over, but I think Corbyn is more likely to be able to hang on for a while now.

His opponents will of course be looking for an opportunity to remove him.

They were looking for the opportunity to remove him 2 months before he was elected. Its great democracy, can't beat it. I think I might sod off to North Korea...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mps-are-plotting-a-coup-against-the-potential-leader-if-he-is-elected-10399272.html

[idler]

Labour get elected when  Labour supporters and floating voters vote in their favour.
If they rely on members of the Labour Party to get them elected then they might as well disband now.
The leader needs to be attractive to enough of the electorate to inspire confidence that they could form a government and then actually rule.
Who is going to be in his shadow cabinet? The big names and experienced MPs don't want to know.

[Copps is Magic]

Who is going to be in his shadow cabinet? The big names and experienced MPs don't want to know.

Idler, as a posted above.

This 'Clive Lewis'. This Clive Lewis is the one the Corbyn out agitators wanted for the next Labour leader and next PM of this country. You'd presume they consider him a big hitter then, correct? Yet, this Clive Lewis publicly supports Jeremy Corbyn!

It's a simple choice. Politics by memo and the back door. Or politics by popular democracy and principle. Your choice. I think the tipping point for this choice for the mass of the British public is coming sooner than people think.

[drfc1951]

I think most labour mps are closet tories.

[idler]

Copps, I don't think that Labour are electable whoever they choose at the minute. They need major surgery and then to start singing from the same hymn sheet. That doesn't seem like happening any time soon. All the while the government can do more or less as it likes.
There seems no energy or dynamism at all in the party.

[Not Now Kato]

Labour + Corbyn = unelectable

Why?  Because the media says so?

[Not Now Kato]

Copps, I don't think that Labour are electable whoever they choose at the minute. They need major surgery and then to start singing from the same hymn sheet. That doesn't seem like happening any time soon. All the while the government can do more or less as it likes.
There seems no energy or dynamism at all in the party.

Why?  Because the media says so?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Labour + Corbyn = unelectable

Why?  Because the media says so?

No, because the majority of Labour MPs and at last count four former Labour leaders with no axes to grind say so.

[Copps is Magic]

Not really true that he needs the majority support of MPs given he only needs support from 20% of them to be elected leader.

I don't think it's quite sinking in to a few on here just how low the opinion of politicians is rated after the worst political campaign in this country's history.

For example, I can only really encourage Tony "I don't understand their popularity. There are wars" Blair to continue his campaign against Corbyn. I think it will put his ratings through the roof.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't think it's quite sinking in to a few on here just how low the opinion of politicians is rated after the worst political campaign in this country's history.

This from a Corbyn supporter. The irony...

[Not Now Kato]

Labour + Corbyn = unelectable

Why?  Because the media says so?

No, because the majority of Labour MPs and at last count four former Labour leaders with no axes to grind say so.

No axe to grind?  All seeking power, not the truth or what is best for the people of this country.
 
To get a Labour government for a Labour governments sake is of no benefit for the working people of this country.  Policies that will benefit all people is what is necessary.
 
It is sad that people affiliate to political parties for the benefit of themselves and not the benefit of the country as a whole.  Me, Me, Me;  the legacy of the Blue Rince Bag.  How sad.
 

[wesisback]

Labour + Corbyn = unelectable

Why?  Because the media says so?

No, because the majority of Labour MPs and at last count four former Labour leaders with no axes to grind say so.

There's one thing 3 of the 4 would know about and thats being unelectable. The other is a war criminal.

[Copps is Magic]

I don't think it's quite sinking in to a few on here just how low the opinion of politicians is rated after the worst political campaign in this country's history.

This from a Corbyn supporter. The irony...

Glynn's statement referred to quantity of MPs. As if the sheer weight of numbers had some bearing on the situation. I was referring to the fact that it probably doesn't given the general malaise in which they are viewed. I don't think that negates the possibility for putting support into any one politician based on principle.

There's an elephant in the room here and it won't go away. And it is that Jeremy Corbyn is currently the only figure on the left of politics who can even come close to wining a general election. The only one. Look at these pathetic attempts by the rest of the party to try and scramble a suitable candidate. Even they know.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps

Has it not sunk in yet? On Corbyn's watch, we've just lost the most important vote of my lifetime.

36 hours before the polls opened, he was talking to an American webcaster about the coherent Left argument for Leaving.

This is the leader of the Labour Party we are talking about. In historic times. At best, being guilty of self-indulgent waffle. At worst, showing his true colours on the issue that will define our country's outlook for the rest of my life.

I never saw leadership in him. I never have in the 30-odd years he's been an MP. I've seen precisely THIS sort of person.

I truly do not see what any of you see that he brings to the party as a leader. Wesley's contributions have made it clear for a long time. Your recent one has done the same. This isn't about a positive, coherent front. He is defined by what he is not. That is sufficient.

[Copps is Magic]

I define him as a man who wants to redress many of the damaging benefits changes enacted by the tories and who wants to increase public house building and controls on private rents. They are two of the most important issues to me personally.

The elephant is still there isn't it, because you can go down the list of what he stands for and it all has broad support on the left. There is currently no more decisive figure on the left to deliver it. Find me one.

[wesisback]

Its comments just like that Billy that encapsulate just why there is such a movement towards Corbyn.
In the same way that you sit Sneering at those that rally around Corbyn, the PLP have done exactly the same thing, at times showing pure contempt for the people they are elected to represent.
Is Corbyn responsible for the EU referendum vote? Is he balls. The campaign was a disgrace on both sides built on lies, expansions of the truth and pure propaganda.
Your issue has become personal Billy, you know where this is heading and you are spitting your dummy out similar to those that are marching about Brexit. The PLP have rolled the dice and Corbyn has refused to be bullied out. He'll win any leadership contest he's in by a landslide. If they refuse to let him take part they'll destroy a generation of Labour supporters forever.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wesley

Your post is very revealing. I have never said anything whatsoever about Corbyn or his supporters that sprang from me "sneering" at them.

The fact that you read that message into words that don't say that message screams volumes.

I've set out, time and again, detailed reasons why I think that Corbyn isn't a leader by nature or style, and why my opinion is that Labour cannot and will not be elected under him.

As you know damn well, when I feel as though I've overstepped the mark, I apologise personally. I haven't on this topic. I've stuck to facts and lessons from experience.

And yet, you convince yourself that I'm sneering at you. As I say, that conclusion speaks volumes.

You have never addressed a single one of those points. Instead, you abuse those who disagree with you. They are "Judas Iscariot". They are "red Tories." They are "war criminals".

Ad hominems all the way.

And you say that "I" make it personal. Do you EVER stop to reflect on your own approach?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps

Those two policies were ones that Miliband campaigned on. Is that as far as the New Politics goes? Is that it?

If that is it, here's a thought experiment. If a centrist Labour leader campaigned on a manifesto that included those two policies, someone who wouldn't scare the English shire horses; a David Miliband or a Dan Jarvis, say, for the sake of argument; would that be sufficient for you to give your wholehearted support to Labour?

[wesisback]

Wesley

Your post is very revealing. I have never said anything whatsoever about Corbyn or his supporters that sprang from me "sneering" at them.

The fact that you read that into words that don't say that screams volumes.

I've set out, time and again, detailed reasons why I think that Corbyn isn't a leader by nature or style, and why my opinion is that Labour cannot and will not be elected under him.

You have never addressed a single one of those points. Instead, you abuse those who disagree with you. They are "Judas Iscariot". They are "red Tories."

Ad hominems all the way.

And you say that "I" make it personal. Do you EVER stop to reflect on your own approach?

So why have I taken to Corbyn?
Prior to his arrival last September I was pretty unenthusiastic about Politics. I'd voted Green all my electoral life based on very little to do with policy and because I thought both the party running the country and the opposition were exactly the same. The expenses scandal had outed them for exactly what they were.
Without going too Russel Brand I'd have seen the whole house cleared out at that point and replaced with Politicians that weren't after lining their own pockets.

Corbyn spoke volumes to me - when he first arose as a rank outsider for Labour leadership I first looked at his record and his behaviours as an MP and I took to everything I saw. His voting record is exemplary, often in times when his parties wasn't.
A leader should lead by example and he's done that, not just now but in the past. His expenses - see above.
It's been mentioned how important it is to be charismatic in modern politics. That's the biggest problem with it for me. PMQs are a disgrace - the fact it forms part of the make up of our government even more so. Whooping Chimps point scoring, often personal. I watched Corbyn getting jeered yet persevering with his 'People's questions' and I thought good on him. That's what an MP is paid to do. Not sit deflecting endless questions with crass insults.
However what has really led to my staunch defense of Corbyn has been the last few weeks. To watch this coup unfold has been nothing shy of a disgrace. The media involvement, the painting of Corbyn as senile, the endless statements from former Labour MPs condemning him have summed up just how dirty politics has become and how has JC responded - in the same dignified fashion he always has done.
Labour destroyed itself in Scotland and it will in the North by forgetting just what it stands for.
If you can hand on heart say you haven't looked at the behaviour of the party in the last month and thought it could and should have been dealt with differently by the sycophants I'd be very shocked and it has backfired spectacularly. People are looking in with pure disdain at these actions and believe it's enough to act. 60'000 joining in a week is the figure bandied about showing that it's a huge number feeling the same way.
The young are hugely dissassociated with the same old faces, the same old lies and the same old contempt. JC offers something wildly different from anything I've been offered before.
He won't win an election, I honestly believe that, nor will any other candidate in time for the next general election. This is more about reform of a party that has forgotten what it stood for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm confused. Is that an apology for your ad hominems on anyone who disagrees with Corbyn or isn't it?

Still. At least we've got a clear steer on your history now. More echoes coming down the decades. It was recently arrived (and utterly-convinced-of-their-rightness. And unconcerned-about-actually-winning-elections) entryists back in the early 80s that f**ked the Labour Party and opened the way for Thatcher.

Thanks for clearing that up. And yes, I AM sneering now.