Thinking outside the box

[Bentley Bullet]

Following regular controversial performances from officials, the latest example being Saturday's Yeovil game, is it time to start making radical changes to improve their competence?

There are suggestions of a referee in each half, but I reckon an official with monitors could provide explicit evidence from a position in the stand.

Does the referee actually need to be on the pitch?

Sounds ridiculous, but considering most of us sat up in the stand can pick up on all their mistakes and tell them when they have made a bad decision, is it such a ridiculous idea for the ref to have a similar vantage point? 

[bpoolrover]

Depends on how long it takes them to make a decision

[Bentley Bullet]

Here's another thought to make the official's job easier. How about doing away with the present offside rule, which is impossible to implement without a vast amount of guessing, and having an extra white line half way across each half (like in Subbuteo) within which players can't be offside.

Not only would this make the offside rule easier to implement, it would also open up the midfield.

[graingrover]

Now that Platini and Blatter are gone , FIFA/EUFA could try to adapt to the new reality of how sporting events can be judged more fairly by video replays . The way that  Rugby Union ,Rugby League , tennis , athletics , cycling have adapted .  Make the game dynamic .. change the rules often to keep abreast of  the development  technology . Use it to help officials take correct decisions not only on the goal line issue , but on penalty decisions , foul play etc  Football is not modern in the content of  it's rule-book nor in the way it applies the rules .
     

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Agree with above. If managers have the option to review a decision, in line with tennis, cricket..and the number of reviews are limited to prevent frivolous reviews then it could work.

[idler]

Here's another thought to make the official's job easier. How about doing away with the present offside rule, which is impossible to implement without a vast amount of guessing, and having an extra white line half way across each half (like in Subbuteo) within which players can't be offside.

Not only would this make the offside rule easier to implement, it would also open up the midfield.

That's similar to the Watney Cup in the early seventies BB.

[nortikorner]

whats the rule on injured players leaving the field ?

[SydneyRover]

Now that Platini and Blatter are gone , FIFA/EUFA could try to adapt to the new reality of how sporting events can be judged more fairly by video replays . The way that  Rugby Union ,Rugby League , tennis , athletics , cycling have adapted .  Make the game dynamic .. change the rules often to keep abreast of  the development  technology . Use it to help officials take correct decisions not only on the goal line issue , but on penalty decisions , foul play etc  Football is not modern in the content of  it's rule-book nor in the way it applies the rules.

I would only want to see a video referee for major decisions, penalties etc. Wouldn't want to see players standing around waiting for various rulings, slowing the game down.
     

[Al4475]

whats the rule on injured players leaving the field ?
Basically I think it's a case of if a Rovers (eg) player goes down hurt in a challenge that results in a free-kick for Rovers, he can now leave the pitch for treatment and play doesn't continue until he comes back on or is substituted.

Before if he went off for treatment - play continued which in essence was punishing the innocent team in that they'd continue with 10 men despite the foul being against them.

If that makes sense?

 

[glosterred]

Thinking outside the box, now that's where footballers go wrong, thinking!

COYR

[ravenrover]

Now that Platini and Blatter are gone , FIFA/EUFA could try to adapt to the new reality of how sporting events can be judged more fairly by video replays . The way that  Rugby Union ,Rugby League , tennis , athletics , cycling have adapted .  Make the game dynamic .. change the rules often to keep abreast of  the development  technology . Use it to help officials take correct decisions not only on the goal line issue , but on penalty decisions , foul play etc  Football is not modern in the content of  it's rule-book nor in the way it applies the rules .
     

Video is used in the sports youmention when the game has stopped. So if the ref thinks he might want to gove a penalty and use video HE has to stop the game. How then does the game restart? A little different if he has blown for a foul as he has already stopped the game so video can be used to decide yellow or red or even simultion.

[IDM]

Such a restart would be a contended drop ball..

[colfromdonny]

Such a restart would be a contended drop ball..
Now that's a good idea, I cannot remember the last time I saw one!

[ravenrover]

Such a restart would be a contended drop ball..

Really? So the attacking team loses an opportunity or the defending team gets away with one? Think tje Managers might have a bit to say in such instances, god help the 4th official. On a further point who would be the adjudicating video officil? Not a cat in hells chance it could be the 4th official

[RobTheRover]

It should be done like American football. A flag is thrown on the field to denote the ref(s) think there was an infringement,  but they let the play go on. When the ball goes dead,  they signal for the review.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Now that Platini and Blatter are gone , FIFA/EUFA could try to adapt to the new reality of how sporting events can be judged more fairly by video replays . The way that  Rugby Union ,Rugby League , tennis , athletics , cycling have adapted .  Make the game dynamic .. change the rules often to keep abreast of  the development  technology . Use it to help officials take correct decisions not only on the goal line issue , but on penalty decisions , foul play etc  Football is not modern in the content of  it's rule-book nor in the way it applies the rules .
     

Trouble is, you have to ask the qui bono question.

If the errors were stripped from football, the beneficiaries would always be the bigger, richer clubs. The beauty of football is that, sometimes, the little guy can win. Maybe through an offside goal. Maybe through a missed foul. Maybe through some official's mistake.

Take away the error and you squeeze out some of the beauty of football. And you make it an even safer bet for the money men to pour their lucre into the top few clubs. 

[Bentley Bullet]

If the main bone of contention is how to restart the game then it's a fair price to pay to get correct decisions.

The main reason for the necessity of video replays is it would help eliminate officials making decisions in favour of the bigger teams through intimidation, like 'Fergie time', and closer to home like the blatantly biased performance of Mike Russell at the Rovers v Portsmouth match that sent us down a few years back. Not forgetting the excessive extra time added in extra time v Arsenal that robbed Rovers of victory, or the debacle at Bramall lane when Rovers were 2-0 up with a few minutes to go, and drew 2-2 with a 98th minute equaliser.

I'm convinced Rovers would still be in the Championship if officials were more accountable for their decisions.

[The Red Baron]

Now that Platini and Blatter are gone , FIFA/EUFA could try to adapt to the new reality of how sporting events can be judged more fairly by video replays . The way that  Rugby Union ,Rugby League , tennis , athletics , cycling have adapted .  Make the game dynamic .. change the rules often to keep abreast of  the development  technology . Use it to help officials take correct decisions not only on the goal line issue , but on penalty decisions , foul play etc  Football is not modern in the content of  it's rule-book nor in the way it applies the rules .
     

Trouble is, you have to ask the qui bono question.

If the errors were stripped from football, the beneficiaries would always be the bigger, richer clubs. The beauty of football is that, sometimes, the little guy can win. Maybe through an offside goal. Maybe through a missed foul. Maybe through some official's mistake.

Take away the error and you squeeze out some of the beauty of football. And you make it an even safer bet for the money men to pour their lucre into the top few clubs. 

Although it could be argued that the big clubs benefit disproportionately from poor or disputed decisions.

[Sammy Chung was King]

The game has managed this many years with only a ref and two linesman. I see no point in introducing loads of extra officials that just adds to the confusion.
In the europa league how many times have the extra officials contributed positively to a decision?, not many times. The referee is the boss and just like the linesman who i suspect they are told look after the offsides and the throw ins, i will do the rest.
The officials behind the goal just stand there but have already been told 'don't make me look stupid by overruling a decision i have already made'.

 On using cameras they should be just for goals that's it. We all knew once they came in for that, people would want them to decide everything. It dilutes the unpredictability of the game. Goalline technology i would have left where it was personally.
 All you needed was the zone behind the line all covered with infrared beams that once the ball bounced in there, it sent a signal to a wristband on the referee saying it's a goal.
 That would have made it cheaper so every club at least in the football league could have it, rather than just the top league.