Ched Evans

[the vicar]

What he has done to his girlfriend is no one else's business as his girlfriend has forgiven him so get over it

[drfchound]

There was no evidence that sex had taken place until the two men admitted that they had done so.
Without them telling the police that there could not even have been a case.
That doesn't seem like the action of someone committing a rape.

[IDM]

The problem is the police.

At no point did she make an allegation of rape. She couldn't remember what happened.

It's when Clayton McDonald and Ched Evans told them that they basically implicated themselves in something which that police force made a complete mess of.

Out of curiosity, what do the Viking Jury on here think about drug users? Did you know that she dabbled? It's slightly irrelevant, but she was hardly a squeaky clean, goody two shoes?

It's totally irrelevant..

[MachoMadness]

The problem is the police.

At no point did she make an allegation of rape. She couldn't remember what happened.

It's when Clayton McDonald and Ched Evans told them that they basically implicated themselves in something which that police force made a complete mess of.

Out of curiosity, what do the Viking Jury on here think about drug users? Did you know that she dabbled? It's slightly irrelevant, but she was hardly a squeaky clean, goody two shoes?

It's totally irrelevant..

Didn't you know, IDM? If you're promiscuous, do drugs and drink, you can't be raped, and if you think you have been, you best not dare come forward or your entire sexual history will be all over the internet. Particularly if there's a £50,000 reward for it.

The whole thing f**king stinks.

[idler]

I'm dubious about the jury system in this country, a dozen amateurs making the final decision after listening to professionals deliberating over a case, seems a bit of a lottery to me.

Even half of the contributors to this thread would probably give a different verdict to the other half. Can you imagine Idler giving his influence as jury foreman?

 

BB, why would I be jury foreman and surely the foreman of the jury has no more say than any other juror? He might give the verdict to the judge but only on the vote. I would give my opinion and then abide by the democratic vote.
I would however have been seriously disappointed had my daughter brought Ched Evans home as a suitor.
Someone that says I can have any woman that I want comes across as someone that will try to take any woman that he wants.

[Bentley Bullet]

Idler, the jury foreman is selected by the jury so although the position has an equal vote I think it is fair to say that being selected for the position means they would have a strong influence on the opinions of the rest.

Like I said earlier, Evans' claim that he could have any woman he wants was a point made to raise the question of why would he need to rape someone.

[idler]

The last thing that I would want BB would be the foreman of a jury and probably centre of attention.
Don't you think equally though that making the comment I could have any woman that I wanted sounds at the least big headed and is somewhat demeaning to women.
If I could have any woman I wanted would I really want to sneak into a hotel room by the back door and sleep with someone of dubious morals too drunk to know what was happening?

[silent majority]

Maybe you should all take the time to read the following before committing further to this argument;

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-case/

[idler]

I agree with his final comment.

[silent majority]

I agree with his final comment.

Me too.

[mrfrostsdad]

The problem is the police.

At no point did she make an allegation of rape. She couldn't remember what happened.

It's when Clayton McDonald and Ched Evans told them that they basically implicated themselves in something which that police force made a complete mess of.

Out of curiosity, what do the Viking Jury on here think about drug users? Did you know that she dabbled? It's slightly irrelevant, but she was hardly a squeaky clean, goody two shoes?

Rigo,
I actually think you're one of the better posters on here. Really I do.
But maybe you could explain in a couple of paragraphs exactly what you know about how the police investigate rape?

If you're an accredited SIO or ABEG trained please accept my humble apologies

[IDM]

I agree with his final comment.

Me too.

Thirded..

What I did get from that report is this - the writer passed  no judgement on the character of Evans nor the woman, just related the facts of the legal processes and explained the eventualities of the case.

That of course will fall on deaf ears to those who form strong opinions, and tweet about them etc, and judge the woman and Evans, nor I guess even sections of the media who sensationalise the proceedings and outcome.

[Superspy]

Agreed. I thought the article was very balanced and to be honest I learned quite a bit from it. It's a shame that other groups (such as the charity he mentioned) are using what happened to scaremonger.