HS2

[albie]

Just seen the proposed route on the news.
HS2 plan and profile maps 2016: Conisbrough to Ryhill (HSL16) - Publications - GOV.UK

Going through a new housing estate in Mexborough and looking to by-pass Donny.

Surely it makes more sense to run along the northside the M18, and then swing into Donny mainline across Potteric Carr.

I know 1 or 2 industrial units on Balby Carr Rd would need to be moved, but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

I'm not sure this project will deliver value for money, but if it is going to happen it probably best to secure any advantages to the local economy.

It might be that the Leeds line through South Elmsall and Fitzwilliam can't be upgraded to HS2 standard easily.
Anybody know the pro's and cons?

[dknward2]

I believe this project is to backward thinking.

We need to be more forward with something like monorail or maglev or even hyperloop.

And not be ready till 2033 is a joke

[Muttley]

I don't think we want or need this white elephant anywhere near Donny - we already have trains that get to KX as fast as 1hr40 which is not much slower than they are touting for Sheffield in 15years after spunking 35 billion quid

Feel sorry for the residents of Conisbrough, Mexborough, Harlington, Hickleton and Barnburgh who will suffer massively for zero benefit.

[drfchound]

That 35billion quid will be 65 billion by the time it is finished, and for what?
Generally speaking, the service will be used by the same people time after time.
Why is it so vital to save 20 minutes on a train journey?
With communications as good as they are today there is just no need to waste money on this project.
The average person may use it once in a lifetime.
A total waste of money.
I think this money should be used for the creaking NHS and things like cancer research.

[LongbridgeMGRover]

Isn't there talk of a Doncaster/Barnsley Parkway station?
Without that there is no benefit to Donny, and its rail service will get worse.

Fast trains to/from Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh will use the new route to London. Doncaster will have much fewer trains heading north, and yes will have a good service to London but mainly slower stopping trains.

I am all for expenditure on railways but let's reopen Woodhead, reconnect Donny and Barnsley, and any number of other projects rather than this monstrosity.

[tommy toes]

I can't believe this madness is actually going ahead. A criminal waste of money that could be far better used elsewhere.

[RedJ]

I don't think we want or need this white elephant anywhere near Donny - we already have trains that get to KX as fast as 1hr40 which is not much slower than they are touting for Sheffield in 15years after spunking 35 billion quid

Feel sorry for the residents of Conisbrough, Mexborough, Harlington, Hickleton and Barnburgh who will suffer massively for zero benefit.

And on top of that, they've got to live in Conisbrough, Mexborough, Harlington, Hickleton and Barnburgh. Poor bas**rds.

[5minstogo]

It stinks. Sheffield City Region have totally bent Doncaster and Rotherham over.  They get a shiny new station in the city centre while we get absolutely no benefit.  There will be no parkway station (initially suggested for Thurnscoe) so we would still need to use Donny or Sheffield stations. 

HS2 Ltd have said this route will save money and have less impact, yet the Shimmer estate (for one) doesn't even show on their outdated maps. It's a farce.  18 trains an hour running 19 hours a day through the Dearne Valley, great.

The plan is for a 20 metre high, 100 metre wide viaduct to be built across the Doncaster Road at Barnburgh (just up from the Crown Inn) before bulldozing through the Craggs and off out towards Hooton Pagnell and Crofton.  It will have massive impact on the Trans Pennine Trail, Denaby Ings and other environmental and farming areas.

When the HS2 people came to Barnburgh they had no info regarding the old mines or how far they'd need to drill down to ensure safety.  It is a complete disaster waiting to happen, not to mention a complete waste of money when we can barely afford to fund the NHS as it is........

[rtid88]

There will be so many of the Tories mates benefitting from this financially that it was always going to happen and there are so many of the Tories mates waiting in the wings for the NHS to collapse which it already is doing thanks the Jeremy Hunt to benefit from its privatisation. This is the most corrupt government we have probably ever seen but yet we cleverly decided to give them complete control of the budget for future years!! Brilliant!

[drfchound]

I think that successive Labour leaders helped the Tories into power.
This government is no better or worse than any of our ones from the past.

[Sprotyrover]

I think that successive Labour leaders helped the Tories into power.
This government is no better or worse than any of our ones from the past.

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There are a few archeological issues that will cause grief Stratford sands ford lies under the old Iron Age fort in Mexboro it is probably the site where Ickneld Street Roman road crossed the Don
If so there is the remains of a paved Roman ford and a Roman road to contend with.then we have the ancient Celtic Well at Barnborough a medieval chapel built next to it and three long Barrow burial sites in the field opposite the Crown pub at Harlington.

[GazLaz]

It will be out of date before it opens.

[glosterred]

You're  damned if you do build it and you're damned if you don't.

[wilts rover]

I think that successive Labour leaders helped the Tories into power.
This government is no better or worse than any of our ones from the past.

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There are a few archeological issues that will cause grief Stratford sands ford lies under the old Iron Age fort in Mexboro it is probably the site where Ickneld Street Roman road crossed the Don
If so there is the remains of a paved Roman ford and a Roman road to contend with.then we have the ancient Celtic Well at Barnborough a medieval chapel built next to it and three long Barrow burial sites in the field opposite the Crown pub at Harlington.

If the government can propose to dig a tunnel through the Stonehenge World Heritage Site then I doubt a few barrows on the outskirts of Doncaster would concern them too much.

Although if it takes as long to build as the Stonehenge relief road then dont expect to see it in our lifetime!

[drfchound]

It isn't how long it takes to build though is it?
The fact is that it is an extraordinary amount of money to build something that isn't needed.
Allocate the money where it is needed.

[wilts rover]

It was first proposed to put the A303 in a tunnel under Stonehenge in 1995. 21 years, several different plans and one public enquiry later not 1 inch of it has yet been dug.

As I say - dont expect to see it (or HS2 in Yorkshire) in our lifetime.

[Donnywolf]

Just what I think .... white elephant that they will argue about for years and nowt will happen

Closing all the Branch Lines in the Beching era was in retrospect a stupid move and how "they" must kick themselves for getting all the Trams and similar written off to modernise our transport systems

Donny with electric trolley buses kicking out no emissions in the 60s - futuristic or what .... oh get rid of them there must be something better !

[drfchound]

"white elephant that they will argue about for years and nowt will happen".

Well maybe so but in all that time there will be an allocation of money doing nowt either that could have been directed to the NHS.

[Donnywolf]

aGREE

Agreed ... and they will plead poverty and run down services like the Fire and Police and claw back a few Pence from all those people who have need of them. They are well practised in that ...

[MrFrost]

Donny will lose its London connection whenever this is completed.

[Muttley]

Donny will lose its London connection whenever this is completed.

Highly unlikely. Still a sizeable market to be served along the East Coast line.

The government should be looking to upgrade the entire network to an equivalent standard and add in strategic new capacity between key population centres.

[Sprotyrover]

Apparently it's an issue of capacity,an example is the new platform O at Donny,which will take a lot of the scunny  etc trains, due to this they have got a further 19 East coast trains per day.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Donny will lose its London connection whenever this is completed.

Given the size of investment on that line? Unlikely I would say.

[Yargo]

Won't come near here,will go to Birmingham and branch to Manchester and then be pulled from going up the eastern side because of "cost" over runs

[BobG]

Despite appearances, most politicians aren't mugs. we may disagree with them a lot of the time, but those with power in matters like this have been around, seen how the world works. They know how things go. So, if your point is right Yargo, and it very well may be, why then, are the politicians banging on and on about this going up the east side of the country too?

Maybe I should wash my mouth out, but politicking can't be the reason. Surely? It's a very convenient timescale for a politician though. He can say anything he likes to capture the support of the unwary and yet have absolutely no responsibility for anything at all in 15 years time....

BobG

[hoolahoop]

That 35billion quid will be 65 billion by the time it is finished, and for what?
Generally speaking, the service will be used by the same people time after time.
Why is it so vital to save 20 minutes on a train journey?
With communications as good as they are today there is just no need to waste money on this project.
The average person may use it once in a lifetime.
A total waste of money.
I think this money should be used for the creaking NHS and things like cancer research.

Agreed but you have the EU  entrance fee money to pay for the NHS  don't forget ( £350 million a week )

[drfchound]

Even Boris had to agree that was a lie after they conned people into voting for Brexit.