Theoretical Question 10 Yellows

[Dutch Uncle]

Let us suppose a Rovers palyer has 9 yellows and Saturday is the last match before cut off/amnesty.

Said player is booked during the match, thus facing a 2 match ban. Said player then argues with the referee in the 90th minute and receives a second yellow. The Red for 2 yellows carries a 1 match ban, and I believe the first yellow no longer counts towards the 10, thus meaning getting the second booking improves the situation. Is this true?

I seem to remember Paul Barnes doing something similar to get a 10th yellow in 2003, thus making sure his two match ban covered the two relatively unimportant Conference matches, and not the playoffs.

Has this apparent loophole been fixed?

[RedJ]

Surely he only missed one unimportant game if that's the case?

[Dutch Uncle]

RedJ - actually the Paul Barnes situation was slightly different, but with a similarity being that an apparently deliberate yellow was alledgedly 'sought' late in the game to 'improve' his availability situation.

As I recall Barnes was on 9 yellows near the end of the season, with a potential ban looming (I am not quite sure whether it was 1 or 2 game ban for 10 yellows in 2002-03).  Barnes was not already on a yellow when he ran to the ref to argue, thus getting his 10th booking late in a game. This meant he missed 1 (or 2) Conference games when we were already guaranteed a playoff place, and had no chance of automatic promotion. His idea was to be banned for the unimportant game(s) rather than risk a ban during the playoff matches. His aim was to 'schedule' a ban to a better time.

In this case a Rovers player could potentially take a second yellow to reduce a ban from 2 games to 1 game, i.e. the aim being to reduce the length of a ban. Unless this potential loophole has been legislated against.

[IDM]

Is it a 2 game ban for 10 yellows anyway?  If the player (Marquis) already had a one game ban for accruing 5 yellows earlier in the season then it makes sense for the next ban to be 2 games ie as a second suspension.

But if the 5th yellow was after the initial deadline, and there was no first suspension (Butler) would then the suspension for hitting 10 yellows be only 1 game?

Or is it a blanket 2 games regardless of any previous suspensions??

[Dutch Uncle]

Is it a 2 game ban for 10 yellows anyway?  If the player (Marquis) already had a one game ban for accruing 5 yellows earlier in the season then it makes sense for the next ban to be 2 games ie as a second suspension.

But if the 5th yellow was after the initial deadline, and there was no first suspension (Butler) would then the suspension for hitting 10 yellows be only 1 game?

Or is it a blanket 2 games regardless of any previous suspensions??

A very good question indeed. The text on the FA site IMHO suggests a blanket 2 game ban for 10 yellows, but I am not 100% sure.

[GazLaz]

I think in Europe the add they bans together.

[BobG]

Happily, Gaz, we are very clearly not in Europe these days.

Cheers

BobG

[The Red Baron]

As I remember the Paul Barnes situation, he didn't get to 10 yellows but in those days the cut off for 5 was the end of January and he was on four just after Christmas.

The next game was a FA Trophy game that we weren't really bothered about that season. In the dying minutes of a game he conceded a free kick and kicked the ball away, thus earning him a fifth booking. He missed the Trophy game but was available for the Conference games.

David Beckham did something similar in a World Cup qualifier so he would miss a game against San Marino or someone similar.

[bedale rover]

Happily, Gaz, we are very clearly not in Europe these days.

Cheers

BobG

Rovers have never been in Europe

[RedRover45]

Happily, Gaz, we are very clearly not in Europe these days.

Cheers

BobG

Rovers have never been in Europe

Yes they have, they had a tour to the Republic of Ireland in the 1950's 😝

[RedRover45]

Happily, Gaz, we are very clearly not in Europe these days.

Cheers

BobG

Rovers have never been in Europe

Yes they have, they had a tour to the Republic of Ireland in the 1950's 😝

Played a final in Wales...

Played Stirling Albion, Motherwell and St Mirren all away since 1984 as well.....

[BobG]

Sadly, neither of the 2 points I was making with that comment have figured in these informative responses I didn't know we'd played all those games in Scotland for example.

Cheers

BobG

[The Red Baron]

I need to check this but I believe we visited the Netherlands in the 1930s.

[Dutch Uncle]

I need to check this but I believe we visited the Netherlands in the 1930s.

I think that is right TRB. I  remember seeing an article (probably put up on here). We played something like a Dutch national team, maybe the B team or something similar. The Dutch had overestimated us and we were heavily beaten - 7 or 8 nil I think.

With regards to the Barnes thing, I see he did not play in the FA Trophy match, so that tallies. But I still have this nagging idea he did the same thing at the end of the season - he missed the penultimate Conference match of the season. Of course I could be conflating two memories.

BTW, Do you have any idea a to the validity of the idea in the OP?

[The Red Baron]

Personally I think it is a loophole, but I think if it was made too obvious that the player was trying to get a second yellow then the FA might charge the player concerned.

As I recall Barnes was rested from the penultimate game - against Morecambe - because Rovers had already qualified for the play offs. Morecambe, who had also qualified, rested players too and the game was a bit of a non-event.

[The Red Baron]

The match in the Netherlands was on 21st October 1936. Rovers took on the Dutch national side in Rotterdam. Rovers were affected by a rough sea crossing and lost 7-2 although they were unhappy with the local referee.

[roversdude]

So even back then we had sh*t refs

[One_Matty_Lucas]

As I remember the Paul Barnes situation, he didn't get to 10 yellows but in those days the cut off for 5 was the end of January and he was on four just after Christmas.

The next game was a FA Trophy game that we weren't really bothered about that season. In the dying minutes of a game he conceded a free kick and kicked the ball away, thus earning him a fifth booking. He missed the Trophy game but was available for the Conference games.

David Beckham did something similar in a World Cup qualifier so he would miss a game against San Marino or someone similar.

I believe Beckham's intentional foul was made on our own Gareth Roberts...random trivia.