Question for the anti-Corbyn Labourites

[wilts rover]

These YouGov charts make fun reading for a couple of minutes.

Jermey Corbyn - popularity rating +35. Theresa May - popularity rating -59.

It's a funny old world.

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Jeremy_Corbyn
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Theresa_May

[i_ateallthepies]

Tories run the most inept election campaign in my lifetime after seven years of inflicting untold harm on 90% of the electorate as well as running the NHS into the ground and still achieve the largest share of the vote in their history.

He's a colossus that Corbyn, a f**king electoral genius!!!

[BobG]

Aye Pies. he's failed to notice the one fact, above all others, that impacts politics in this country: it is a conservative country. It always has been. in general terms Labour only win general elections when either they themselves occupy the centre ground and the Conservatives have gone right, or, there has been a long period of Conservative rule and they've run out of steam. No left wing Labour leader has ever won a general election. Right back to Ramsay MacDonald that's true. Evey time the Labour Party has tried either a real left leaning leader, or a leader who is perceived as left leaning, they lose. Every time. Foot, Kinnock and Corbyn are just the most recent three.

Still, I'm starting to thinK Corbyn might have a chance on 3 or 4 years time if he's still there/ Mrs May or her replacement will do extremely well to avoid becoming the most unpopular Prime Minister in history. The Tories will have been in power for 3 parliaments and the tone of the country seems to be changing. That looks to me like the recipe for a Labour government next time round - if they can avoid being seen as looney left.

BobG

[hoolahoop]

I agreed with all of that until the last paragraph Bob . I doubt whether the Tories can cock up so much in such a short time ever again but the pressure is on .
However the promises made by the Labour Party are going to be looked over with a fine tooth comb now .

[Ldr]

Lots of rumours round here (Newcastle) that a lot of this highly mobilised youth vote may have voted in 2 places, home constituency and university constituency. 1 Postal,1 in person.

Couldn't imagine it being possible but who knows in this day and age

[tommy toes]

To inrerrupt the above Tory love in.
Who gave us a referendum to leave the EU to start this chaotic division in the country. Your lot.
Who called an unnecessary election as they thought she was a shoe in, resulting in more chaos and an alliance with the Neanderthals of the DUP.
Your lot
Corbyn was ridiculed by all and sundry and vilified by the media and got 40% of the vote.
And you've got the cheek to blame the youth who've been marginalised and ignored, for standing up for theirsens at last. I hope they did vote twice(impossible)it might make up for when they didn't vote at all.
Bob
You are making the same mistake as BST did and reying on history to predict the future. Corbyn has debunked that with this result. The youth voters dont care about left or right. People under 35 have no memory of that.

[wilts rover]

The YouGov poll on how Britain voted is interesting. It was not only 'the young' who voted Labour, they were the most popular party for every age group under 50. And the older you were the more likely you were to vote Tory. Thus working people voted Labour - retired voted Tory.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/

[tommy toes]

Well i'm nearly 65 and I voted for him so I guess I bucked the trend.

[BobG]

In the long run, Tommy, historical trends don't often lie. Next time, the tea leaves are telling me that Corbyn has a  better chance of winning as a left winger than any other alleged left wing leader of the Labour Party ever. Despite the SNP, despite the malignant press, despite idiotic choices of front benchers, he is quite likely to have a helluva opportunity next time round. If Corbyn can reclaim more of Scotland then he's likely got a fantastic chance.

Breaking the law, btw, is illegal. If people have voted twice and it's proved, imagine what that does to any claim to credibility that Corbyn might have had. It's stupid. And it's short sighted. And Corbyn has debunked nothing with this result. He did better than I expected true - but his opponent had the brains and personality of a soggy lettuce. And even with that great advantage, Corbyn lost.  He's proved nothing as yet. He might next time around though...

Bob

[SydneyRover]

BobG "it is a conservative country. It always has been. in general terms Labour only win general elections when either they themselves occupy the centre ground and the Conservatives have gone right, or, there has been a long period of Conservative rule and they've run out of steam. No left wing Labour leader has ever won a general election"
It depends on how people view themselves and what they consider a conservative to be. Unfortunately the majority of those in the UK that control the media, business, political lobbying and religion also closely align with the conservative party. Those that consume the media especially content provided by Fox and The Sun and similar are being drip fed with propaganda designed to outrage them and make them feel that voting for any other party except conservative would result in the country being overrun by aliens and minorities that would be an affront to mankind. Banging on about aliens is a favourite barrow of the "right" and they never fail to wind up those easily led, when in fact the UK has thrived with foreign cultures in the mix.
PS: Harold Wilson was a good PM and fought for freedom with the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War.

[drfchound]

In the long run, Tommy, historical trends don't often lie. Next time, the tea leaves are telling me that Corbyn has a  better chance of winning as a left winger than any other alleged left wing leader of the Labour Party ever. Despite the SNP, despite the malignant press, despite idiotic choices of front benchers, he is quite likely to have a helluva opportunity next time round. If Corbyn can reclaim more of Scotland then he's likely got a fantastic chance.

Breaking the law, btw, is illegal. If people have voted twice and it's proved, imagine what that does to any claim to credibility that Corbyn might have had. It's stupid. And it's short sighted. And Corbyn has debunked nothing with this result. He did better than I expected true - but his opponent had the brains and personality of a soggy lettuce. And even with that great advantage, Corbyn lost.  He's proved nothing as yet. He might next time around though...

Bob

"Breaking the law,btw, is illegal".

That has to be the best line typed on here, ever.

[i_ateallthepies]

I hope you wasn't including me in your 'tory love-in' comment tommy t... Never voted tory in my life and never will.

[idler]

I voted Independant.

[BobG]

I'm glad you think so Hound! It was meant to remind what had obviously been forgotten.

Cheers

BobG

[RedJ]

I voted Independant.

Yorkshire Independence Party?

[idler]

He used to be the Liberal Democrat MP.
I don't agree with all of his sentiments but the Lib Dems in Bradford gave done more for the locals than Lab. & Cons. have.
Hussein was always going to get in whichever way I voted.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The consequences of Tory policies are coming home to roost and are being exposed by these recent tragic events.

Essential public services are just that and we've seen the erosion of that. These services are the heart of all our towns and cities. Good, honest, decent public services don't have to cost the earth if they are run well and that is where someone needs to get a grip to ensure we get value for money for the public purse.

NHS is a prime example. But the other emergency services must be near breaking point.

I think the public are coming to realise this government under May is not fit. Corbyn has improved his standing however, maybe many like me have reservations about his leadership style and how he may represent us on an international stage but, he is clearly more in tune with the public than any of them.

I voted for Brexit but I know things will not be easy and we have to get our own house in order to be successful in the long term.

If Corbyn came out and said the same and said we're going to reinvest in public services but spend wisely and look at every wasted £1 that could be reinvested, he'll win the next election by a landslide.

[drfchound]

Would he?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Well, landslide may be a tad optimistic