Election Manifestos and Policies

[bobjimwilly]

so to summarise, Labour will:

Only increase taxes for those earning > £80k a year
Increase taxes for large corporations
Outlaw zero hours contracts
Invest £8 billion in to the NHS
Ring-fence mental health budgets
Scrap university tuition fees
Give fair notice when increase the pension age
Build 100,000 new houses a year
Bring back rail and post office to public ownership
Hire 10,000 more police officers
Scrap bedroom tax

The Tories will:

Reduce taxes for everyone, but more so the super-rich
Increase inheritance allowance
Bring back fox-hunting
Carry-on privatising NHS services
Carry-on trying to reduce the deficit (which they've increase in the last 7 years under austerity)
Cap welfare
"Deliver the best schools"

is that about right? tough choice...
 

[DonnyOsmond]

"Yeah, but Corbyn"

[not on facebook]

Anyone recall when thatcher said ' a no vote is a vote for them ' or she said something on those lines.

How would a ' no vote ' be deemed today?

What I can't  understand with Labour is that if they fail to get in at No10 corbyn has stated that he would not step down and carry leading the party.

Normally if you fail in your job you are sacked ,laid off or moved  from your position ,but not in corbyns case .

As for the conservatives ,well they seem to be keeping al their shit in house and look far more presentable and in far better shape.
It's not as if they have to try very hard is it.

Ukip > are finished waste of a vote.

Liberals > never been a option

Greens > see above.

[Susan Abbott]

so to summarise, Labour will:

Only increase taxes for those earning > £80k a year
Increase taxes for large corporations
Outlaw zero hours contracts
Invest £8 billion in to the NHS
Ring-fence mental health budgets
Scrap university tuition fees
Give fair notice when increase the pension age
Build 100,000 new houses a year
Bring back rail and post office to public ownership
Hire 10,000 more police officers
Scrap bedroom tax

The Tories will:

Reduce taxes for everyone, but more so the super-rich
Increase inheritance allowance
Bring back fox-hunting
Carry-on privatising NHS services
Carry-on trying to reduce the deficit (which they've increase in the last 7 years under austerity)
Cap welfare
"Deliver the best schools"

is that about right? tough choice...
 

Labour will put our economy on a par with the 3rd world , where most are run by left wing dictators who think making money and having aspirations for your self and your family and should paid for by very high taxing forcing you to the point where think of leaving the country of your birth .
Companies will never set up base in the U.K. If the tax system will not allow them to earn , employ and expand .

Labour DO NOT want to be in government as they feel more effective as an opposition party throwing insults at those who need to make hard decisions , for Labour has not got the personal on the front line to run a government and I am a card carrying member of Labour .  Corbyn OUT!!!

[Yargo]

so to summarise, Labour will:

Only increase taxes for those earning > £80k a year
Increase taxes for large corporations
Outlaw zero hours contracts
Invest £8 billion in to the NHS
Ring-fence mental health budgets
Scrap university tuition fees
Give fair notice when increase the pension age
Build 100,000 new houses a year
Bring back rail and post office to public ownership
Hire 10,000 more police officers
Scrap bedroom tax

The Tories will:

Reduce taxes for everyone, but more so the super-rich
Increase inheritance allowance
Bring back fox-hunting
Carry-on privatising NHS services
Carry-on trying to reduce the deficit (which they've increase in the last 7 years under austerity)
Cap welfare
"Deliver the best schools"

is that about right? tough choice...
 

Those Labour ones,you do realise how many of them would bite the dust under ever closer union,seems Labour are celebrating Brexit whilst saying they wouldn't commit to it if elected... Wigley dots...100.000 houses eh,how many more would be needed under unlimited mass migration that  Worzel  Gummidge favours?

[Glyn_Wigley]

"Indecipherable Yargo b*llocks"

[Yargo]

There's a few more indecipherable racist bigots on BBC1 tonight after 6.30,wonder how much praise the brilliant local MP will get?

[not on facebook]

I bet my last $$$ that the lady Susan abbot  above was brought up to vote Labour .

But going by her post it's obvious that she is not happy with what corbyn has brought to the Labour Party,if Susan votes for Labour in June it will be a half hearted vote .susan might not vote at all .

My point is there must be many Susan abbots out there in the same pickle as Labour seem to be giving normall Labour voters of past a problem on to vote for them or not.

If Susan can see Labour see the Labour party's issues ,I can see them with many more ,why have the Labour themselves not seen it and done something about it.

The Labour Party needs to wash its hands of its idiots like corbyn Diane abbot and it's far too left way of thinking.

They don't seem to be the party that stands for the working class anymore ,just a party that attracts far left wing nut jobs into its ranks .

Did anyone watch the Labour Party loon who introduced corbyn to the Labour public in Manchester the other day .

Her speech  went along the lines ' let me welcome yo u Jeremy corbyn who gives a TOSS ,let's get behind him  and Labour as we gives a TOSS but unlike the conservatives who don't give a TOSS.'


TOSS > how can you have a party in at No10 that and take the serious when they use the word TOSS ago help get its point across and pull in the votes.

Fcuk you might as well vote for likes of me

[MachoMadness]

I keep hearing this "who's gonna pay for it?" b*llocks. It says in the manifesto, they'll borrow £250bn over 10 years and invest in industry and services. Bear in mind the Tories have borrowed an extra £700bn over 7 years, and have used it to prop up the banks and give corporate welfare to their rich pals, while branding the unemployed and disabled scroungers...

Labour will put our economy on a par with the 3rd world , where most are run by left wing dictators who think making money and having aspirations for your self and your family and should paid for by very high taxing forcing you to the point where think of leaving the country of your birth .
Companies will never set up base in the U.K. If the tax system will not allow them to earn , employ and expand .

Course they will, inward investment in other European countries with similar taxation structures is still high. There will undoubtedly be an impact, which will be offset by economic growth.

It's hardly "left-wing dictator" stuff.

[drfchound]

Corbyn can make all the promises he wants and be as bold as he wants because he isnt going to win is he.
He therefore wont ever be in a position where he has to deliver on them.

[not on facebook]

They all kept on saying that brexit would never be voted in > the brexit vote won.

They was all saying that Clinton would win > trump won

So you never know these days and the book is still open from me as to who will win despite what seems to me Labour shooting them sens in the foot.

Still 4 weeks untill voting day and I suspect that there must be some skeletons hanging about the conservative cupboards waiting to come out.

[drfchound]

Mrs May currently at 1/40 to win.

[tommy toes]

Read the OP again.
That's what you shold be voting on. Not personality,charisma, left or right or what the Tory press say.
If you're minted and earning 100 grand a year vote for the strong and stable Teresa. She'll look after you.
If not and you care about the less well off the NHS social care, fuel bills, affordable housing, public ownership of rail services and FAIRNESS then it's a no brainer.

[drfchound]

Like i said, no chance of him ever being able to deliver any of those things.
He is in a great position of being able to promise whatever he wants and never having to prove it.

[wilts rover]

Like i said, no chance of him ever being able to deliver any of those things.
He is in a great position of being able to promise whatever he wants and never having to prove it.

That's all he can do. It's up to you if he is going to have the opportunity to do them or not.

[not on facebook]

Read the OP again.
That's what you shold be voting on. Not personality,charisma, left or right or what the Tory press say.
If you're minted and earning 100 grand a year vote for the strong and stable Teresa. She'll look after you.
If not and you care about the less well off the NHS social care, fuel bills, affordable housing, public ownership of rail services and FAIRNESS then it's a no brainer.

The fact that I don't live in U.K. Anymore I will not cast a vote as I belive that I should not have a say in the way the country is run as I don't live there anymore.

But if I was back in the U.K. Every pulse in my body is telling me not to vote Labour as this is one time you should judge a book by its cover.

I take on board that torys will allways look after the higher end of the table ,but I can't think of one Tory member that rubs me up the wrong way unlike the Labour  party mixed bag of odds and ends.

[drfchound]

Like i said, no chance of him ever being able to deliver any of those things.
He is in a great position of being able to promise whatever he wants and never having to prove it.

That's all he can do. It's up to you if he is going to have the opportunity to do them or not.

.....and a few million others who wont vote for him.

[Sprotyrover]

Interesting to see last night that since the Tories decreased corporation tax they make far more money from it.
Corbyn is going to make Hospital car parking free by raising taxes on private health Insurance! Well as a person who pays £120 a month into such a scheme I will be pulling out of it and becoming another burden for the beleaguered NHS to worry about.

[tommy toes]

Yes the revenue from Corporation tax has gone up. Why is that do you think?
Could it be that under the Tory Government big companies are making even more profits for their shareholders with workers on zero hour contracts maybe.

[wilts rover]

Interesting the spin people put on things isn't it. The money collected from Corporation Tax has gone up because the tax is lower - not because HMRC have been clamping down on firms avoiding it.

Oh and the money raised in 2015-16 was 25% lower than 2014-15 - so actually it has gone down. As they have found other ways of avoiding it.

http://economia.icaew.com/en/news/january-2017/hmrc-nets-extra-2-6bn-in-corporate-tax-probes-pinsent-masons

[Filo]

I like the Labour manifesto, those industries should never have been nationalised in the first place. I value the NHS, the tories seem hell bent on destroying it. I will vote for the policies rather than the person

[not on facebook]

The NHS allways seems pop up at the front on the two main party's policy's when it comes to the general election.

Whoever is in the other party can allways do better etc etc .

The NHS says it had no money and that it's on its arse  but no government had yet to solve the money that the NHS keeps on chucking away via the health tourism mess.

I have yet to see one single person that's employed by the NHS stand up and make a point over this .

Some lady from another country landed in the U.K. Whilst she had a bun in her oven,she dropped the said bun which turned out to be 4 buns that popped out to the exsprncd of £500,000 to the HNS,give or take a £ or two.

She then went back to her native country ( somewhere in Africa) without paying a bean.

The NHS cant help it self

[Glyn_Wigley]

Some lady from another country landed in the U.K. Whilst she had a bun in her oven,she dropped the said bun which turned out to be 4 buns that popped out to the exsprncd of £500,000 to the HNS,give or take a £ or two.

She then went back to her native country ( somewhere in Africa) without paying a bean.

The NHS cant help it self

Is this another of your can't-be-arsed-to-check anecdotes?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Labour will plant a money tree? It doesn't add up to me. Create more jobs but tax those who create them.

You're a company you can pay a whack of tax here but be outside the eu or pay much less in Ireland with eu access - madness.


As for taxing those at 80k much more, 80k is not in some cases a huge amount of money. Justify that to a family in London with one working person.  I tend to think the tax level may be too low but so is 80k.

On nationalisation, was it really any good before privatisation, really?

The key point for me is it just doesn't add up, the costings on the face of it seem to contradict a little. Devil in the detail of course.

[MachoMadness]

I have yet to see one single person that's employed by the NHS stand up and make a point over this .

Some lady from another country landed in the U.K. Whilst she had a bun in her oven,she dropped the said bun which turned out to be 4 buns that popped out to the exsprncd of £500,000 to the HNS,give or take a £ or two.

She then went back to her native country ( somewhere in Africa) without paying a bean.

The NHS cant help it self

You haven't seen anyone make a point out of it probably because it's not true, and overall foreigners pay far more in tax and contribute far more to the NHS than they take out. And that's not even counting the foreigners who work in the NHS and keep the thing running.

Sorry, I keep forgetting you don't do facts.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting to see last night that since the Tories decreased corporation tax they make far more money from it.
Corbyn is going to make Hospital car parking free by raising taxes on private health Insurance! Well as a person who pays £120 a month into such a scheme I will be pulling out of it and becoming another burden for the beleaguered NHS to worry about.

Likewise I would pull out also I suspect. Love to see also how labour plan to buy out the 20-30 year contracts put in place at hospitals by, erm labour.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Interesting to see last night that since the Tories decreased corporation tax they make far more money from it.
Corbyn is going to make Hospital car parking free by raising taxes on private health Insurance! Well as a person who pays £120 a month into such a scheme I will be pulling out of it and becoming another burden for the beleaguered NHS to worry about.

Likewise I would pull out also I suspect. Love to see also how labour plan to buy out the 20-30 year contracts put in place at hospitals by, erm labour.

Just the Labour ones? What about all those that Gideon set up but called a different name to fool people?

[not on facebook]

Some lady from another country landed in the U.K. Whilst she had a bun in her oven,she dropped the said bun which turned out to be 4 buns that popped out to the exsprncd of £500,000 to the HNS,give or take a £ or two.

She then went back to her native country ( somewhere in Africa) without paying a bean.

The NHS cant help it self

Glyn is there a issue with health tourism within the NHS service in the U.K. Yes/no > yes there is .

Ok if all moneys was collected the NHS will still be in a mess ,but at least it's a start.

I also bet my last $$$$ that untold amounts of NHS stock all through the range is been chucked out un used or walking out the front/ back doors due to light fingered staff.

The fact that whoever is putting the orders in for X amount of items abcdef is not paying for it with their own money ,and a lot of stock gets set back to the stores as they have no room for it on the wards > inturn there is no room for it in the stock room so it's thrown away into the skips out back.

There will be no ' throw out controll sheet ' what so ever and months down the line items abcdef will be placed on order again.

Love to see a report of what the NHS is throwing away

Is this another of your can't-be-arsed-to-check anecdotes?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Some lady from another country landed in the U.K. Whilst she had a bun in her oven,she dropped the said bun which turned out to be 4 buns that popped out to the exsprncd of £500,000 to the HNS,give or take a £ or two.

She then went back to her native country ( somewhere in Africa) without paying a bean.

The NHS cant help it self

Glyn is there a issue with health tourism within the NHS service in the U.K. Yes/no > yes there is .

Ok if all moneys was collected the NHS will still be in a mess ,but at least it's a start.

I also bet my last $$$$ that untold amounts of NHS stock all through the range is been chucked out un used or walking out the front/ back doors due to light fingered staff.

The fact that whoever is putting the orders in for X amount of items abcdef is not paying for it with their own money ,and a lot of stock gets set back to the stores as they have no room for it on the wards > inturn there is no room for it in the stock room so it's thrown away into the skips out back.

There will be no ' throw out controll sheet ' what so ever and months down the line items abcdef will be placed on order again.

Love to see a report of what the NHS is throwing away

Is this another of your can't-be-arsed-to-check anecdotes?

Answer the question. Is the £500K-loss anecdote one you haven't bothered to check is true?

[wilts rover]

Labour will plant a money tree? It doesn't add up to me. Create more jobs but tax those who create them.

You're a company you can pay a whack of tax here but be outside the eu or pay much less in Ireland with eu access - madness.


As for taxing those at 80k much more, 80k is not in some cases a huge amount of money. Justify that to a family in London with one working person.  I tend to think the tax level may be too low but so is 80k.

On nationalisation, was it really any good before privatisation, really?

The key point for me is it just doesn't add up, the costings on the face of it seem to contradict a little. Devil in the detail of course.

Some interesting points there BFYP.

On the costings contradicting a little, as they haven't announced the costings then that does seem a strange thing to say.

Were the railways run better before they were privatised. The people who use them certainly believe they were.
https://weownit.org.uk/blog/rail-privatisation-success-or-failure

The £80k tax threshold will unfairly hit familes in London - thus you would expect it to be especially unpopular in London. London is the only part of the country where Labour is leading in the polls - thus it appears that this policy is particuarly popular in London.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-labour-london-dominant-party-win-conservativesfive-point-lead-lose-four-seats-ukip-a7729446.html