Election Manifestos and Policies

[Akinfenwa]

Do you actually have any figures to prove this?

If so, why not choose to compare the 10-16% interest rates under the Thatcher gov't with <6% under Blair?

Attracted jobs you say? Why not mention Conservative gov'ts from 1979-1997 presiding over the UK's highest unemploment figures post war?

Yes I was there and I was getting a pay rise every week due the currency being devalued and to compensate everyone just to help maintain their living standards and we were on less than a £ an hour or £40 a week for  a skilled person . Labour are spend today pay for it next week . Corbyn is poison and he was around even then the parasite. The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties . Believe me when I tell you Tories ruthless bas**rds but the Labour are just thick bas**rds who can't agree even with themselves .

So regarding my original question, I take it that the answer is a 'no' then.

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As they say across the pond in America

GO Susan GO  > GO Susan GO

[wilts rover]

We are reasonably rich country on the edge of a major shift in its direction , but it's always been the Tories who have attracted the jobs and steered this country to Low interest rate of 0.25% compare this to 15-17% of the 70s with high-per inflation in double figures and a 3 day week .   

Do you actually have any figures to prove this?

If so, why not choose to compare the 10-16% interest rates under the Thatcher gov't with <6% under Blair?

Attracted jobs you say? Why not mention Conservative gov'ts from 1979-1997 presiding over the UK's highest unemploment figures post war?

Yes I was there and I was getting a pay rise every week due the currency being devalued and to compensate everyone just to help maintain their living standards and we were on less than a £ an hour or £40 a week for  a skilled person . Labour are spend today pay for it next week . Corbyn is poison and he was around even then the parasite. The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties . Believe me when I tell you Tories ruthless bas**rds but the Labour are just thick bas**rds who can't agree even with themselves .

Told you - madder than mad mick - and that is very mad indeed. And as they also say in America #alternatefacts

The interest rate isn't 0.25% - it is 2.7% and rising.
The national debt was £960 billion when the Tories took power in 2010. Now after 7 years of austerity it has risen to £1.8 trillion and is rising at £5000 a second.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
The NHS had already failed in its waiting targets before the crises of last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/31/nhs-surgery-target-operations-cancelled-simon-stevens

And you are banging on about the 1970's. Wake up this is 2017. This is the most radical manifesto since 1945 - and what happened then.

Oh and Corbyn was first elected as an MP in 1983.

[Akinfenwa]

Labour currently polling at 33%, a 9% rise from when the election was called, if the Tory vote share drops to 40% it will be a 15% swing and we'll see a hung parliament. Corbyn only needs a 19% swing to deliver a majority.

The Tories vote share in the local elections was 38% - 10% lower than what they were polling and in majority of seats where they have a majority.

A foregone conclusion this election is not.

One poll today had Labour at 33% another had 29%. Probably best to use the polling average to avoid cherry-picking.

Labour currently stands at an average of 30.1%, up from 26.2% when the GE was called on 18/04. Conservatives stand at 47%, up from 42.3% on 18/04.

Conservative lead was +16.1 then, and it's now +16.9. So while it's true that public opinion of Labour has improved but not at the expense of the Conservatives. Meanwhile support for UKIP (especially), LDs and Greens has dropped noticeably. There's no real indication that the Conservatives are catchable, just that the electorate are consolidating behind the big two.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

One party has announced lots the other hasn't even started yet...

It's same old labour, lots of ideas that they can't afford. Some are good, more nhs funding, tuition fee write offs etc. Some are terrible, public ownership of companies which has worked amazingly in the past (not) and high anti business policies.  That will cost the economy and cost jobs.

[not on facebook]

After the polls and the media and all the experts were saying brexit would not happen > but it did

Then the exact same near enough was said about Clinton getting in and trump not getting in  > and trump did

I will not belive no more polls or what the media predict or whatever the experts say > as nobody can predict how the British will vote on the day,and only a fool will tell them how to vote.

[Susan Abbott]

We are reasonably rich country on the edge of a major shift in its direction , but it's always been the Tories who have attracted the jobs and steered this country to Low interest rate of 0.25% compare this to 15-17% of the 70s with high-per inflation in double figures and a 3 day week .   

Do you actually have any figures to prove this?

If so, why not choose to compare the 10-16% interest rates under the Thatcher gov't with <6% under Blair?

Attracted jobs you say? Why not mention Conservative gov'ts from 1979-1997 presiding over the UK's highest unemploment figures post war?

Yes I was there and I was getting a pay rise every week due the currency being devalued and to compensate everyone just to help maintain their living standards and we were on less than a £ an hour or £40 a week for  a skilled person . Labour are spend today pay for it next week . Corbyn is poison and he was around even then the parasite. The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties . Believe me when I tell you Tories ruthless bas**rds but the Labour are just thick bas**rds who can't agree even with themselves .

Told you - madder than mad mick - and that is very mad indeed. And as they also say in America #alternatefacts

The interest rate isn't 0.25% - it is 2.7% and rising.
The national debt was £960 billion when the Tories took power in 2010. Now after 7 years of austerity it has risen to £1.8 trillion and is rising at £5000 a second.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
The NHS had already failed in its waiting targets before the crises of last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/31/nhs-surgery-target-operations-cancelled-simon-stevens

And you are banging on about the 1970's. Wake up this is 2017. This is the most radical manifesto since 1945 - and what happened then.

Oh and Corbyn was first elected as an MP in 1983.

His political career began when he was elected to Haringey Council in 1974; he later became Secretary of Hornsey Constituency Labour Party, and continued in both roles until he entered the House of Commons as MP for Islington North. He was a party member 1974!! I didn't say him being an mp ?

[Herbert Anchovy]

The Tories will win (again) and look after their own (again) and people will still fall for their bullshit (again).

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We are reasonably rich country on the edge of a major shift in its direction , but it's always been the Tories who have attracted the jobs and steered this country to Low interest rate of 0.25% compare this to 15-17% of the 70s with high-per inflation in double figures and a 3 day week .   

Do you actually have any figures to prove this?

If so, why not choose to compare the 10-16% interest rates under the Thatcher gov't with <6% under Blair?

Attracted jobs you say? Why not mention Conservative gov'ts from 1979-1997 presiding over the UK's highest unemploment figures post war?

Yes I was there and I was getting a pay rise every week due the currency being devalued and to compensate everyone just to help maintain their living standards and we were on less than a £ an hour or £40 a week for  a skilled person . Labour are spend today pay for it next week . Corbyn is poison and he was around even then the parasite. The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties . Believe me when I tell you Tories ruthless bas**rds but the Labour are just thick bas**rds who can't agree even with themselves .

Told you - madder than mad mick - and that is very mad indeed. And as they also say in America #alternatefacts

The interest rate isn't 0.25% - it is 2.7% and rising.
The national debt was £960 billion when the Tories took power in 2010. Now after 7 years of austerity it has risen to £1.8 trillion and is rising at £5000 a second.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
The NHS had already failed in its waiting targets before the crises of last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/31/nhs-surgery-target-operations-cancelled-simon-stevens

And you are banging on about the 1970's. Wake up this is 2017. This is the most radical manifesto since 1945 - and what happened then.

Oh and Corbyn was first elected as an MP in 1983.

His political career began when he was elected to Haringey Council in 1974; he later became Secretary of Hornsey Constituency Labour Party, and continued in both roles until he entered the House of Commons as MP for Islington North. He was a party member 1974!! I didn't say him being an mp ?

Game set match > mrs abbott

[Susan Abbott]

The Tories will win (again) and look after their own (again) and people will still fall for their bullshit (again).

You are absolutely correct but better the devil you know .I doubt if things were going well for people they'd think about social issues . The Labour part are socialists but Corbyn is Marxist and this is bad news for the country . I don't want Tories in but this is that serious for everyone. Corbyn is poison .

[not on facebook]

For she is a jolly good fellow ,for she is a jolly good fellow

so say all of us .


She= Susan

[Susan Abbott]

For she is a jolly good fellow ,for she is a jolly good fellow

so say all of us .


She= Susan

It's what you want here from the opposition when the alternatives is Tory that there can be an alternate way and they will furnish the good life the Tories have denied us all .But !!!

Jeremy Corbyn is anti-British and a friend to terrorists, writes LEO MCKINSTRY
JEREMY CORBYN is often seen as a laughable but harmless clown. But nothing could be further from the truth. In reality he is the most loathsome man ever to have led a major party in the history of British democracy.
The politician who aspires to be the next Labour Prime Minister raises genuine concerns over our national security and integrity.

In his long, unedifying career filled with loathing for his own country, he has been a cheerleader for terrorism at home and Marxist revolutions abroad. Posing as a peace campaigner, he has spent years backing our enemies while seeking to undermine our defences.
Nothing exemplifies his vile politics more graphically than his support for murderous Irish Republicanism. For decades Corbyn was an open sympathiser with the Provisional IRA as it waged its bloody campaign against us.

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Glad you pointed out corbyns friendship with the ira and other terrorist groups , give it a score of years and he be holding hands with a former isis leader .

How can anyone vote for Labour knowing who corbyn is happy to share a bed with.

I just don't understand why whoever in the Labour Party can't see that while corbyn is at the helm of Labour they are losing many many voters.

Gives me the impression that the Labour Party can't see infront of their own nose .


For sure the conservatives have their issues but they seem to be all about their policy's ,not that there is untold nut jobs within their ranks .

[Susan Abbott]

Glad you pointed out corbyns friendship with the ira and other terrorist groups , give it a score of years and he be holding hands with a former isis leader .

How can anyone vote for Labour knowing who corbyn is happy to share a bed with.

I just don't understand why whoever in the Labour Party can't see that while corbyn is at the helm of Labour they are losing many many voters.

Gives me the impression that the Labour Party can't see infront of their own nose .


For sure the conservatives have their issues but they seem to be all about their policy's ,not that there is untold nut jobs within their ranks .

Remember 170 MPs refused to join him but were persuaded to not resign. They knew what he is and still do. His beliefs are solid and if he gets in power everyone will see what hatred for the establishment really is .

[not on facebook]

Christ if this was in America you just know that the opposition party to corbyn would go public with corbyns darker side of his make up.

[Glyn_Wigley]

We are reasonably rich country on the edge of a major shift in its direction , but it's always been the Tories who have attracted the jobs and steered this country to Low interest rate of 0.25% compare this to 15-17% of the 70s with high-per inflation in double figures and a 3 day week .   

Do you actually have any figures to prove this?

If so, why not choose to compare the 10-16% interest rates under the Thatcher gov't with <6% under Blair?

Attracted jobs you say? Why not mention Conservative gov'ts from 1979-1997 presiding over the UK's highest unemploment figures post war?

Yes I was there and I was getting a pay rise every week due the currency being devalued and to compensate everyone just to help maintain their living standards and we were on less than a £ an hour or £40 a week for  a skilled person . Labour are spend today pay for it next week . Corbyn is poison and he was around even then the parasite. The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties . Believe me when I tell you Tories ruthless bas**rds but the Labour are just thick bas**rds who can't agree even with themselves .

Told you - madder than mad mick - and that is very mad indeed. And as they also say in America #alternatefacts

The interest rate isn't 0.25% - it is 2.7% and rising.
The national debt was £960 billion when the Tories took power in 2010. Now after 7 years of austerity it has risen to £1.8 trillion and is rising at £5000 a second.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
The NHS had already failed in its waiting targets before the crises of last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/31/nhs-surgery-target-operations-cancelled-simon-stevens

And you are banging on about the 1970's. Wake up this is 2017. This is the most radical manifesto since 1945 - and what happened then.

Oh and Corbyn was first elected as an MP in 1983.

His political career began when he was elected to Haringey Council in 1974; he later became Secretary of Hornsey Constituency Labour Party, and continued in both roles until he entered the House of Commons as MP for Islington North. He was a party member 1974!! I didn't say him being an mp ?

Game set match > mrs abbott

You mean the mad person who says in her very first load of drivel that the three day week was under Labour and not the Tories??

[Glyn_Wigley]

One party has announced lots the other hasn't even started yet...

It's same old labour, lots of ideas that they can't afford. Some are good, more nhs funding, tuition fee write offs etc. Some are terrible, public ownership of companies which has worked amazingly in the past (not) and high anti business policies.  That will cost the economy and cost jobs.

If that's true, why have the Tories stopped the Office Of Budget Responsibility from commenting on the Labour figures? Surely having an official public agency confirm this assertion would only be to the Tories benefit and Labour's disadvantage..?

[Glyn_Wigley]

The price of Bread and Milk was set by the government because of import duties .

Really? When was this, because I can find no evidence to support this whatsoever.

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Glynn how do you and others stand that mr corbyn is in the same bed as the ira and other know terrorist group or groups .

Surely this must worry you and others somewhat or is it a case of turning a blind eye to  how whatever what terrorist group has got its hands dirty.

[Filo]

Thatcher, a Tory, was hardly whiter than white was she?

https://muftah.org/margaret-thatcher-her-dictator-friends/#.WRvjxJB4WrU

[drfchound]

Raising Corporation tax to 26% is a smart move by Corbyn.
Simply, it will reduce investment by Companies in the uk.
It is a tax hike that will damage growth and affect where big businesses choose to locate.
Outcome, potential loss of jobs and further hardship on small businesses.

[bobjimwilly]

Why are Tory voters so blind to the FACTS, the major ones being:
7 years of austerity hasn't worked (national debt to GDP is higher than in 2010)
inflation is at 2.7% (.7% above the Bank of england target)
interest rates are shite
the £ is shite
the NHS is facing a "humanitarian crisis"
the number of classes teaching 36 or more kids has trebled in the last 5 years
99% of schools will see funding cuts over the next 3 years
there are fewer police officers than there were in the late 1990's
benefits for the disabled cut, whilst those over £45k get a tax break

And you get people saying, "better the devil you know"? Wtf? Look back at what corbyn has stood for and the types of bills he has consistently voted for his whole career?
Now look at May, the woman who just this week said people can "work their way out of poverty" - yeah, in the same way a drowning man can swim his way out of trouble.

[bobjimwilly]

It's same old labour, lots of ideas that they can't afford. Some are good, more nhs funding, tuition fee write offs etc. Some are terrible, public ownership of companies which has worked amazingly in the past (not) and high anti business policies.  That will cost the economy and cost jobs.

The east coast mainline brought in several million in profit under public ownership. When done correctly, public ownership can generate a lot of money for the treasury.

And are you also seriously suggesting the economy over the last 7 years has improved? Lower unemployment is the only shining light for the tories, but even that is undermined by a massive % of the workforce that are now on 0 hour contracts or have gone into self-employment, which harmfully lowers national insurance contributions and tax revenue for the treasury.

Edit:

Just been on the Conservatives website. Has anyone noticed the amount of waffling and lack of figures on nearly every aspect of their manifesto? "We will build more houses" - how many Theresa? "We will give more money to the NHS"? Yeah, how much Theresa? "We will employ more police officers" - HOW f**kING MANY THERESA?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

SORRY rob but I look at the numbers first (no surprise).  Labour costings will be a disaster. Companies will cut investment, will move offshore and will cut jobs.  If you want pm me and I'll explain what I mean with some context that I can't do in public.

Don't disagree that some Tory policies aren't the best nor do I disagree that there are issues in the nhs etc. But how do we get past these issues? With difficulty. The population is ageing the economy must change and sadly private healthcare to an extent probably has to play a part.  I have private healthcare, tax it and I'll cancel it and burden the nhs a little more. There should be some strong legislation on that though such as banning the use of nhs hospitals by nhs doctors working privately at weekends when they complain they don't like changing shift patterns.

Minimum wage. Yes it has 96 increase but not so fast, it will just lead to increasing inflation.  Inflation was always to increase this year given brexit and decreasing value of the pound.

Student loans. Torn on this. IT will make me a fair bit better off a month so happy there. But should I benefit as a graduate qualified and working?  Probably not. I should pay back given I have seen benefit from it though I would scrap the interest.

Tories will win it on brexit though. Just far stronger in that area after that well they'll have to perform or it becomes a Churchill scenario. Get through a tricky time then scrapped.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's same old labour, lots of ideas that they can't afford. Some are good, more nhs funding, tuition fee write offs etc. Some are terrible, public ownership of companies which has worked amazingly in the past (not) and high anti business policies.  That will cost the economy and cost jobs.

The east coast mainline brought in several million in profit under public ownership. When done correctly, public ownership can generate a lot of money for the treasury.

And are you also seriously suggesting the economy over the last 7 years has improved? Lower unemployment is the only shining light for the tories, but even that is undermined by a massive % of the workforce that are now on 0 hour contracts or have gone into self-employment, which harmfully lowers national insurance contributions and tax revenue for the treasury.

Edit:

Just been on the Conservatives website. Has anyone noticed the amount of waffling and lack of figures on nearly every aspect of their manifesto? "We will build more houses" - how many Theresa? "We will give more money to the NHS"? Yeah, how much Theresa? "We will employ more police officers" - HOW f**kING MANY THERESA?

I don't know the answer but what was the value generated from east coast versus cost of the franchise and investment in infrastructure?

[not on facebook]

Thatcher, a Tory, was hardly whiter than white was she?

https://muftah.org/margaret-thatcher-her-dictator-friends/#.WRvjxJB4WrU

Quite a good back hand was that filo ,and it gives me more to think about .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glynn how do you and others stand that mr corbyn is in the same bed as the ira and other know terrorist group or groups .

Surely this must worry you and others somewhat or is it a case of turning a blind eye to  how whatever what terrorist group has got its hands dirty.

Corbyn argued that the IRA should be talked to. Which is exactly what Thatcher, Major and Blair actually did. The resultatant peace accord that everybody could agree on speaks for itself, I'd have thought. So was Corbyn wrong? Or do you know of anything that Corbyn has said to support any acts of terrorism?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Raising Corporation tax to 26% is a smart move by Corbyn.
Simply, it will reduce investment by Companies in the uk.
It is a tax hike that will damage growth and affect where big businesses choose to locate.
Outcome, potential loss of jobs and further hardship on small businesses.

Choose where they locate? Given that that level of Corporatioon Tax is still lower than most  first world countries, you're telling us they're all going to rush to countries with higher Corporation Tax than us?

Perhaps they'll all go to the US, where it's about twice the rate of ours.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Tories will win it on brexit though. Just far stronger in that area after that well they'll have to perform or it becomes a Churchill scenario. Get through a tricky time then scrapped.

How can they be stronger on something they have said absolutely NOTHING about? They won't even tell Parliament what their plans or expectations are; they certainly haven't told the electorate!

Then they have the barefaced cheek to call this a 'Brexit' election!

[not on facebook]

Glynn how do you and others stand that mr corbyn is in the same bed as the ira and other know terrorist group or groups .

Surely this must worry you and others somewhat or is it a case of turning a blind eye to  how whatever what terrorist group has got its hands dirty.

Corbyn argued that the IRA should be talked to. Which is exactly what Thatcher, Major and Blair actually did. The resultatant peace accord that everybody could agree on speaks for itself, I'd have thought. So was Corbyn wrong? Or do you know of anything that Corbyn has said to support any acts of terrorism?

Good points Glynn  but thing is thatcher is dead and now gone as corbyn is today and on my flat tv screen all day > and most important i just don't like him as he is not my cup of tea and that's before I even take on board what policy's he has.

He has some good ideas that is for sure ,but my issue with him and would not want him stood next to me in a trench ifvthat day ever came.