Imams and Muslim religious small steps in right direction

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Or is it big steps you tell me .

It seems that 130 imams or religious leaders across the Muslim community have refused to give burial prayers to any of the three terrorists that were shot dead after carrying recent London attacks.

Read somewhere that the exact same thing was done to the extreme Muslim who blew himself up and killed many others during the Manchester act.

I don't really understand how Muslims take been buried etc etc ,but that Brady had same problems after he died recently as no bidy in the funeral wanted to deal with him.

Ok it will not clear are streets over night but at least it's a start that will seep into mindsets throu process of osmosis

[bahrain rover]

Oslo, I if i may pick up on this.
This is a big deal in Islam and the Muslim community. In Islam there is only burial, there are no cremations or that new dissolving method.
 By rights the body has to be buried before the next Magrib prayer (sunset prayer)  so in effect with in 24 hours. This involves being ceremoniously washed as like before every prayer when alive by the Iman and senior male representatives of the family.
 The body is then bound in a multi layer shroud (no coffin). The body then is placed in a 2 step grave, and laid on its right side with the head facing the Quibla in the Masjid Haram in Mecca (The black box building you will have seen).
The body is then covered by a solid layer of say wood that's why the step in the grave side so no soil can touch the body other than what its laid on creating in effect a tomb. then the grave is filled as normal. If this process is not followed, then the belief is the funeral is not complete and the person cannot face the day of judgment and will be cast to hell.
So by this refusal by the Imams should show clearly the condemnation by the Muslim community towards the appaling acts carried out by the evil people.
Hope that helps tried to not make it long winded.
   

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Thanks for that Bahrain rover .

From what I can pick up is that after a isis terrorist had been killed especially after a terror act they are brainwashed into thinking that they will enter their gods paradise who's name is that A word they all shout out before they carry out a attack > 'this is for A '

So if they get into their thick skulls that no imams within their local community will carry out the Islam burial service will this in time have a effect on recruitment .the whole purpose of been a sucude bomber has been taken away from them as no imams will give them Muslim burial.

Bit like rule of good economics supply and demand .

How can isis side step the issue that they will go to parradise or where ever they go be a marta ,due to sole reason no imams will carry out the service .

Or Iam I pissing into the wind too much here .

[bahrain rover]

Oslo, this is indeed good thinking.
In deed there are prominent Imam out there pushing this already. There is one guy in particular called Mufti (Imam by another name) Menk. He travels the world trying to reach out to the young and guide in the right path. He talks modern language to them, not the old narrow set in the way most religions talk. Unfortunately 2 years ago Menk highlighted the problem that radicalization is taking place in bedrooms via the internet were no one can police this. A that time he called for the internet providers to put in place filters to block such messages. I am out of touch with the UK now apart from on for here, but i believe Theresa  May as said petty much the same in the last few days. But this falls on deaf ears, plus there is the freedom of free speech and censorship brigade to take in to account.
On a personal point my family and I are suffering directly the actions of ISIS or Daesh, what ever name they choose right now.  We have family trapped in Marawi City in Mindanao Philippians. My home is located 4 hours by road from Marawi in Cotabato City there for making it extremely risky at the moment for me to go there!! We had planned to go celebrate Eid after this Ramadan with family, but we have had to put that on hold as of now.
Just to finish, i know people have started to dislike the A name as you put it. But the A word is quite simply the Arabic word for God. And most Muslims use both the names God and A freely as they refer to the exact same entity. Allahu Akbar literally means God is great, translated to English.

[Glyn_Wigley]

A bit of a gruesome question here, but it's releveant...surely suicide bombers know that there's very little chance of having much of a body left to bury at all after they've blown themselves up - how would their religious ideology take that into account?

[bahrain rover]

Glyn, another good question.

There is a word Inshallah which means if God wills. This is the ideology that Muslims go by, and believe me they really are God fearing. They believe every is Inshallah whether it be good or bad. If for instance if good fortune comes to who ever its Inshallah, like wise if bad comes to them it is also Inshallah. This gives a sense of lack of fear as if what ever happens its Gods will. You need to see the driving in Saudi to really appreciate this in action.
So it will be on this premise  the hate preachers feed off. I guess along the the lines of if you Martyr in the name of Islam then Inshallah surly you will be granted your place in Jana (Heaven) The body is only a physical presence, and there is far more. Asian Muslims in particular believe we are surrounded by spirits and they directly guide you. 
Unfortunately there are now a days people who are easily drawn in to this, either by hate for whats happening out here in say Yemen or Syria and this will be rammed down there necks. Or quite simply they have no prospect to lead a regular life in society, and this will give a false sense of belonging.   

[Glyn_Wigley]

So basically it's not going to affect those who are already indoctrinated. That's a pity. However, it's still a good thing as it will send a message to those who might be targeted that the wider part of their own community says it goes against Islam. And hopefully also to those whose immediate reaction after an atrocity is to blindly demand the muslim community 'do something' as if the problem is just theirs and not all of us. I hope this - and the revelation that the perpetrators of the recent crimes were informed on - multiple times - will stop that reaction as it does nothing useful to help the situation at all.

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You mention this menk chap asking about the internet to be policed put up to prevent the type of info that extreme Muslims feed off into whoevers bedroom.

I take that this means that the government bring the likes of you tube and google or whatever other social media tool to get their houses in order by blocking isis related things.

But I guess likes of google who get away tax free in the U.K. Say NO.

This is quite strange as that tommy Robinson chap has had his twitter blocked so he can't twitter his twitter list , which I guess has come from the government .

For the record Iam not on twitter aswell as facebook before any toot try's to sling mud at us .

[Jenny]

it isn't as easy as telling Google, Facebook etc to get their house in order (although they should do what they can).

Many people use the dark web, and it becomes untraceable.

Policing the internet is like pissing in the wind.

[bahrain rover]

Correct Jenny. This term the DARK WEB is new to me but i am hearing it mentioned more and more.

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it isn't as easy as telling Google, Facebook etc to get their house in order (although they should do what they can).

Many people use the dark web, and it becomes untraceable.

Policing the internet is like pissing in the wind.

Thanks for that input treacle ( Jenny) .

I don't know that much about the internet etc etc > I do know that there is some ddr or ddrs involved somewhere down the line .

As for the dark web > I might as well be speaking to scobbydo .

But I d recall some toot off here saying that I was a dinasour lived in a cave and was stuck in the 1970s ,and I questioned what was wrong with been stuck in the 1970s .

Well at least in the 1970s you could see the terrorists and have some type of controll over them to some extent > > > unlike today it seems > > > it will not be long before we are telling our kids to check under their beds before they go to sleep at night if one understands the jist.