General Election Predictions

[Herman Hessian]

any truth in the early reports that say the only comment from Diane Abbot so far has been "if jeremy is involved then it's not going to be a very well hung parliament...." ?

[drfchound]

Awesome that Angus Robertson lost his seat - massive prick....

The SNP are getting a kick in!

"massive prick" - is that a rumour that was started by Angus Robertson?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting night, big win for exit poll.  Amazing from them.

Labour had a great night, in terms of vote share so did the Tories really but labour picked up the bigger increase.

So really, Tories lost majority, fail.
Labour second again though a bit bigger number of seats. Good night but still failed.

All others lost votes so fails for them too.

Amazing how in the scheme of a whole country the loss of just a few seats changed it.

May won't last now and it makes brexit terrible. What an error of judgement but the campaign frankly was terrible.

[casperjebba]

Seeing that 72% of 18-25 year olds turned up. That's amazing.

I think they were underestimated again this time round, but finally delivered. Everybody was shocked by the exit polls and this outcome but that must've been partly  on the basis of the impression created by mainstream media. If you looked on twitter and facebook it was flooding with support for Corbyn from youngsters.

No matter what happens from here its a win. And whoever you support, you have to give Corbyn credit for finally engaging the younger generations. Let them be swayed to whatever party they want from now on but at least they're engaged.

[NickDRFC]

If 72% of that group had bothered to vote this time last year we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place...

[Donnywolf]

 

[Filo]

May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's

The other point she would make is she increased the vote share the highest Tory vote for 30 years.  Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.

[Filo]

May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's

The other point she would make is she increased the vote share.  Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.

The big thing she has n't got her buzz phrase "strong and stable" the Tories will probably self destruct over this

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

May should fall on her sword, she went all in with a weak hand and lost, but as the Tories do they will cling onto power by hook or crook. The future of this Country is now in the hand of ten Northern Irish MP's

The other point she would make is she increased the vote share.  Not convinced it outweighs the poor campaign though.

The big thing she has n't got her buzz phrase "strong and stable" the Tories will probably self destruct over this

Potentially could happen. Also interesting they still hold a majority in England thus retain a lot of power on English only laws.

The story for me isn't the poor performance of the Tories outright but their failure to outdo labour in many areas.  Very arrogant to campaign as they did and offer no carrots.  A thing labour did really to many, mainly knowing they wouldn't have to enact it.

[Herman Hessian]

serious downside in that the f**king imbecile farage has resurfaced, somehow making out that the destruction of his party potentially legitimises his return to politics; selfish, narrow-minded, hypocritical f**ktard of the highest order...

[drfchound]

In my view, the big vote catcher for Labour was the suggestion to abolish student tuition fees and that attracted the young people of that age to vote for them.
Everyone i have spoken to that has family members at or due to go to university has said that their kids went out to vote Labour.

If there isnt another election for 4 or 5 years i wonder if they will vote the same way if the then Labour people dont include the same promise?
The situation of those young people will have changed and they will be looking for other things to improve their circumstances.

Without a doubt Corbyn led a good campaign but couldnt do enough to win.

I am glad May didnt resign though as that would have potentially opened the door for Boris Johnson to step up and with those two as head of the two major parties, well i dread to think of that.

[idler]

Surely Boris lost all credibility with most people (if he ever had much) with his performance after the Brexit vote.

[Herman Hessian]

nice comment by Andrew Marr at some point during proceedings along the lines of "it gives you some idea of the gravity of the situation and how extraordinary the result has been that - so far - boris johnson has said absolutely nothing..."

[drfchound]

Surely Boris lost all credibility with most people (if he ever had much) with his performance after the Brexit vote.

You can include me in the list of people who have little faith in Boris but the fact is, he would be a front runner in the race to replace may if she had quit.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I have no idea what this will do to the brexit negotiations > Glynn or redj please ?

They will go ahead but the problem is that I cannot see the people finishing them being the people who start them, which isn't helpful for the UK as we'll lose continuity.

I can't see May surviving long, she'd been holed below the waterline as she had the best chance of getting a landslide in recent history and pissed it up the wall. There is absolutely no way on Earth the Tories will want go into another election with a loser like her leading them. I think there will be another election sooner rather than later (as I can't see the Tories wanting to be beholden to the DUP for any longer than necessary) and they'll give her the elbow to get someone else in place before that, and whoever that is will have their own ideas as to what they to get out of the Brexit negotiations and the team they want to undertake it.

So the two likeliest scenarios are - new Tory leader with new Brexit team (whether they win another election or not), or another election won by somebody else, again leading to a new team conducting the negotiations.

In the meantime, if they have any sense, the EU negotiators will play hardball knowing that May has very little political leeway to play with.

That's how it seems to me so far.

[Glyn_Wigley]

serious downside in that the f**king imbecile farage has resurfaced, somehow making out that the destruction of his party potentially legitimises his return to politics; selfish, narrow-minded, hypocritical f**ktard of the highest order...

Ah well, his friend Donald didn't manage to bully the government into giving Nige that Ambassador job they both thought they'd be able to get him, did they? Nige has to have something to do with his time!

[Filo]

We now have a terrorist sympathiser as PM!

[drfchound]

CRIKEY, I DIDNT REALISE CORBYN HAD WON !!

[Filo]

CRIKEY, I DIDNT REALISE CORBYN HAD WON !!

You do realise the DUP were formed out of a terrorist organisation?

[drfchound]

Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.

[Filo]

Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.

Really?

Ian Paisly was never associated with them?

Peter Robinson was never associated with them?

I think you need to check your facts

n 1980, Robinson was elected as the deputy leader of the DUP. In 1986, he helped establish Ulster Resistance, a loyalist paramilitary group.

Throughout the Troubles, Paisley was seen as a firebrand and the face of hardline unionism. He opposed all attempts to resolve the conflict through power-sharing between unionists and Irish nationalists/republicans, and all attempts to involve the Republic of Ireland in Northern affairs. His efforts helped bring down the Sunningdale Agreement of 1974. He also opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, with less success. His attempts to create a paramilitary movement culminated in Ulster Resistance. Paisley and his party also opposed the Northern Ireland peace process and Good Friday Agreement of 1998

The DUP is a right-wing populist[5] party. It is characterized by its Ulster loyalist position, which it has staunchly held since its inception. Ulster loyalism, with its aim for continued inclusion of Northern Ireland in the UK, has been identified as a type of ethnic nationalism,[40] and is historically linked with paramilitarism

[drfchound]

Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
Did he ever get convicted of a terrorist offence?

As far as i know the DUP has always condemned violence.

[Filo]

Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.
Did he ever get convicted of a terrorist offence?

As far as i know the DUP has always condemned violence.

On the post above mine you said they'd never been associated with terrorism, now your saying their founder has, which one is it?

[drfchound]

Has Paisley ever been convicted of a terrorist offence, genuine question.

[Filo]

Has Paisley ever been convicted of a terrorist offence, genuine question.

No not directly, but read up about him, he was convicted many times for public order offences that were directly linked to paramilitarism. In todays day and age he would have been arrested and convicted using anti terror laws

[drfchound]

So he isnt a terrorist then?

How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?

That is a bit of a defamatory statement.

[Filo]

So he isnt a terrorist then?

How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?

That is a bit of a defamatory statement.

I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!

He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?


Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

[roversdude]

Has wee Krankie turned up yet - she had a face liked a smacked arse when things were going well for her so must be awesome now

[drfchound]

So he isnt a terrorist then?

How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?

That is a bit of a defamatory statement.

I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!

He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?


Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

You know what, it is bigots like yourself that cause more damage than anyone else.
You are what i would call an extremist.

I suppose i should expect it from you though.
Havent you got a fare to collect.