The London high tower block fire.

[not on facebook]

Pointed the sub letting factor out early on page one of this thread.

The local council will have a rough idea  of how many live in this block ,and maybe since the powers that be seem to be lacking on giving out upto date death numbers could be that they are shocked to the bone of how many deaths they know  of allready without a full search of the block.

This is a big IF but IF this block has untold sub letting issues and deaths will this have a bad reflection on the government .

[bpoolrover]

Such a shame that such a tragedy has turned in political point scoring, the activists that have nothing to do with the fire should hang there heads in shame

There are people living in 4000 tower blocks across the country who wont be sleeping very soundly tonight as they wonder if their home might go up in flames too.

If it wasn't for the activists who have nothing to do with the fire the survivors who have lost everything wouldn't have had anywhere to sleep or be fed for the past 3 days - or begun to collect belongings for them.

But yes there are people who should be hanging their heads in shame...

why the need for labour banners and anti Tory ones? What good is that doing?

[DonnyOsmond]

Such a shame that such a tragedy has turned in political point scoring, the activists that have nothing to do with the fire should hang there heads in shame

There are people living in 4000 tower blocks across the country who wont be sleeping very soundly tonight as they wonder if their home might go up in flames too.

If it wasn't for the activists who have nothing to do with the fire the survivors who have lost everything wouldn't have had anywhere to sleep or be fed for the past 3 days - or begun to collect belongings for them.

But yes there are people who should be hanging their heads in shame...

why the need for labour banners and anti Tory ones? What good is that doing?

Some people believe it was aided by austerity. Hence the anti Tory feeling.

[drfc1951]

Tory mps voted against a safer homes bill a couple of years ago.

[glosterred]

Saw this and thought it quite interesting

On June 7, 2005, @jeremycorbyn voted to exempt tower blocks built before 2007 from requiring sprinklers. His 9/11. legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541…

[bpoolrover]

better get the Corbyn resign banners out now then

[podrover73]

better get the Corbyn resign banners out now then

spoils the political agenda that has been going since the fire though

[glosterred]

Saw this, quite interesting

[Colemans Left Hook]

Pointed the sub letting factor out early on page one of this thread.

The local council will have a rough idea  of how many live in this block ,and maybe since the powers that be seem to be lacking on giving out upto date death numbers could be that they are shocked to the bone of how many deaths they know  of allready without a full search of the block.

This is a big IF but IF this block has untold sub letting issues and deaths will this have a bad reflection on the government .

out of respect i kept quiet about the subletting do you want spot checks on who is living in flats ? blame the ALMO ??

this SUBLETTING AND WORSE has always gone on In the London Boroughs

but believe it or not their are people in London who exist as two or more people -- once heard about one Etritrean woman  political refugee (yet family back home in Etritrea servants and all !!) who had to sign a bit of paper and started signing a different name to what she was known as in her job --  she had a flat with a London Housing association  and when the person who saw it happen (signature gaff) left the company the Eritrean left pdq before her lack of ability was found out -- specialised in playing the "race" card against someone who was not born in the uk as she couldn't do the job properly



presume she "possibly" had 2 flats as well ??   you wouldn't believe what scams used to go on 

[wilts rover]

Saw this, quite interesting

The only interesting thing about that list is that you think it is interesting.

[glosterred]

Saw this, quite interesting

The only interesting thing about that list is that you think it is interesting.

It's interesting that you make me laugh

[podrover73]

Saw this, quite interesting

The only interesting thing about that list is that you think it is interesting.

it is interesting because the people kicking off are having a go at the wrong people. As I said earlier it fits the agenda

[DonnyOsmond]

Saw this and thought it quite interesting

On June 7, 2005, @jeremycorbyn voted to exempt tower blocks built before 2007 from requiring sprinklers. His 9/11. legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541…

It's not real x

[Glyn_Wigley]

Saw this and thought it quite interesting

On June 7, 2005, @jeremycorbyn voted to exempt tower blocks built before 2007 from requiring sprinklers. His 9/11. legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541…

It's not real x

Yep, seems to be completely untrue. It seems it relates to a Statutory Instrument that, (a) relates to non-domestic buildings; (b) doesn't mention the word sprinkler; and (c) wasn't voted on!

[DonnyOsmond]

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes#divisions

He doesn't seem to have voted on the day in question either.

I might go on Twitter and post some complete b*llocks and see if it gets retweeted so people end up believing it. Might go with "David Cameron was once sucked off by a pig". Oh, wait a minute...

[drfchound]

Is anyone going to say that glosterreds post about the flats and the way they were run is untrue?

[BobG]

Since the beginning of the current brand of Toryism in 1979 we have had a long series of wholly avoidable disasters. A lot of people have died.  Individually, each and every one had their own cause, their own failures. Collectively they all occurred through lack of oversight and lack of regulation. It's all very well to sweep away regulations and inspection officers in the name of economy, but there are never any free lunches are there? There's always a price to be paid. It's people that have been paying it - with their lives.

As for the Maybot, her principal and overriding responsbility is the safety and well being of the people comprising the nation. Yes. the Council have done sod all. Yes. the Chief Exec of Kensington Council must have the balls of a gnat. But when every Council has been bled so dry that many are now in the desparate position of having to sell capital assets to fund operational expenditure, you can't expect all that much of any Council. And that failure is the responsibility of government. I note too that the only time fire regulations have been updated in the last dozen years was under Tony Blair's leadership. The failure to update them since, especially after previous experiences going back 8 years, is the responsibility of successive Tory governments. They have all failed to discharge their prime responsibilty. They are therefore manifestly, obviously and clearly, unfit to govern.  The pathetic behaviour of the Maybot simply drives home the point. Is she really the best they can find? Oh dear, oh dear.

BobG

[podrover73]

Saw this and thought it quite interesting

On June 7, 2005, @jeremycorbyn voted to exempt tower blocks built before 2007 from requiring sprinklers. His 9/11. legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541…

It's not real x

aye it's about as real as what's posted in the daily mirror

[DonnyOsmond]

Is anyone going to say that glosterreds post about the flats and the way they were run is untrue?

Well the local council of "Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council" is ruled by a Tory majority. 40 seats to Labour 7 (3 Lib Dems). The flammable cladding was added before Sadiq Khan became Mayor aswell.

Also, Emma Coad sitting on the KCTMO doesn't mean much, it'd be 1 v 15 (If I counted right). That board did also have at least 3 Conservative members on it (Maighread Condon-Simmonds, Quentin Marshall & Elizabeth Campbell).

[drfchound]

So the post isn't untrue then?

[DonnyOsmond]

Not untrue, no.

However, I do seem to be witnessing the right wing seeing themselves being smeared in mud throughout the Grenfell tower travesty and basically pointing going "Well you had 1 board member on the KCTMO!! She could have done something!!" while hiding away their 3 board members.

I guess it's just a defence mechanism.

[BobG]

Or a failure to accept a truth when it hits them between the eyes Donny....

Cheers

BobG

[Filo]

I'm not bothered which colour politically the people responsible are from, the people responsible should be jailed, full stop. Right now there seems to be people from all sides trying to save their sorry necks throwing mud where ever it will stick

[drfchound]

Agreed on that Filo but it is just their survival ( maybe the wrong word under the circumstances) instincts.

It is hard though isn't it to know where the next disaster that was preventable will happen.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[BobG]

So is foresight Hound. You know, planning, resources, inspecting. Boring stuff I know. But, amazingly, the lack of it has had demonstrably catastrophic effects for a generation now.

BobG

[Draytonian III]

Such a shame that such a tragedy has turned in political point scoring, the activists that have nothing to do with the fire should hang there heads in shame

Very true

[RedJ]

Seen on social media that they've been told not to include people who threw themselves out of windows in the body count because they didn't die directly in the fire, according to a fireman.

[DonnyOsmond]

Seen on social media that they've been told not to include people who threw themselves out of windows in the body count because they didn't die directly in the fire, according to a fireman.

A bit daft. They died as a result of the fire. If there wasn't a fire they wouldn't have jumped out of a window.

[Donnywolf]

Without a doubt they did. How can anyone NOT include them

They counted the poor people who tossed themselves in the Thames (taking their chances) rather than be rammed by a Van so is there a demonstrable difference.

Mind you for a long while the people who hurled themselves out of the World Trade Centre were treated a little differently (a bit like cowards if I remember correctly) just for making a choice such as a) do I stand here getting baked alive catching fire etc and with no hope of rescue at all OR b) do I jump

AND if I jump will it be a) to a certain but swift death which remaining in the Tower will still bring or b) to a miraculous survival against all the odds ? What a choice to have to make

[RobW]

Im delighted that someone has the same degree of cynicism as I do. My sympathy evaporated after the mob started to "protest".

It is my experience that when the mob (poor, oppressed, unemployed people) feel the necessity to demonstrate it always results in the looting of the local Currys.

The blame that is being allocated to the conservative government is laughable. This is American blame culture. The fact that hundreds of Syrians and burkah wearing types were crammed into one tower block....see Tony Blair and his failed efforts at multi-culturalism, the worst social experiment since the genocide.

Im going to try wearing a balaclava when the bank open on monday, I wonder how far I will get ? Ot what about an all white burkah with a white pointy hat and full face mask ? The hipocrisy is vile. Im utterly sick of this whole sorry mess and the placatory namby pamby socialist dogma that has systematically denuded British values and culture to the point where we see ourselves as a B+B for the flotsam of the planet incapable of supporting itself outside of Europe.

Crowds gather outside church for vigil after Grenfell Tower blaze




candles - drapes - wrapping paper - obvious fire hazard, IMHO....