The London high tower block fire.

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It all seems to have gone quite on the death toll information as some prick of a Labour mp said they was holding the death tolls back becuase the true number will cause riots on the streets .

If this is the case it's what I have been saying all along from page one about the sub letting issue and everyone will be shocked to the core when it comes to light.

But will the true figure ever come out becuase if the fire temp was that high would that not even turn teeth and human bones into dust.

[RedJ]

Would he have been a prick if he'd been a Tory MP and done the same?

[Glyn_Wigley]

It all seems to have gone quite on the death toll information as some prick of a Labour mp said they was holding the death tolls back becuase the true number will cause riots on the streets .

He didn't say that at all.

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Like I keep saying Glynn that s what I read somewhere and I just take things at face value .

But if he did not say what I thought I read it still don't take away my pointon sub let issue ,which you tried to twist and turn a tad back.

[RedJ]

I love how you keep missing the fact that the fire would have happened regardless of whether there was subletting going on or not.

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I love how you keep missing the fact that the fire would have happened regardless of whether there was subletting going on or not.

This is getting silly now mister fcuk head .where on earth have I typed that the sub let issue was the fault of the fire ?

Are you and Glynn and whoever else on pm to keep on landing this slanderess claim on my doorstep in hope to send me round the bend .

My claim has allways been that the sub let will effect the final numbers that died ,never as to why fire started.

Fcuk me if we all lived in America and stood by their society I would sue your ass with $$$$$$ in my eyes.

I know you lot are annoying kunts at times ,but I used to think you was intelligent annoying kunts and now Iam second guessing that.

Iam just waiting for Glynn to pipe up and ask for a link that bcaks you lot as annoying kunts.

Please bring evidence to the table that I have said that the sub let culture started the fire.

[drfchound]

NOF, I remember a few weeks ago that you said a certain poster was "premier league".

Do you still think the same?

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NOF, I remember a few weeks ago that you said a certain poster was "premier league".

Do you still think the same?

If you talking about Glynn yes he is prem league when his head is not stuck in the sand .

[Dagenham Rover]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who-illegally-sublet-flats-told-they-wont-be-prosecuted-6750138/

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Well the sub let issue  from this block of flats is now out there in the open as they have no idea who and how many were living in the flat > local housing officers not doing their jobs for starters .

You have to ask why they are happy to turn a blind eye to law breakers

[drfchound]

I suppose it is a kind of amnesty in an attempt to find out how many people were actually in the flats on the night of the fire.

[selby]

Try taking a bottle of beer to your seat at an away game,see if you can get an amnesty.

[BobG]

Oslo man....! "You have to ask why they are happy to turn a blind eye to law breakers "

Please, before you jump into slagging people off, just think about the circumstance existing at the time. I agree law breakers are getting away with murder these days. But how many Council employees have been made redundant this last 10 years do you think? How many have been forced out? How many have had enough and simply gone? Did you not see what I wrote before? 80% of the childcare budget in the county where I liove is spent on investigations. Brilliant. Until you realise then that there is nothing left to actually do anything. So kids are palmed off, forced away, pushed under the carpet. Fire Brigades had the duty to inspect buildings taken off them to cut costs. Then the cretins who did it after had their hours cut, for a tower block, from a decent length of time to 15 minutes. 15 bloody minutes! Thank you David Cameron. McDonald was right. It is institutionalised murder.

And just for interest, think about how governments always emnsure there is a ;police force to manage crime, a border force to manage immigration but guess what? There is nothing to enforce employment regulations. Nothing.  There is a HUGE clothing manufacture industry in Leicester for example that pays, on average, less than £4 an hour.  That is illegal. It used to be that an aggrieved employee could go to an Industrial Tribunal - but David Cameron stopped that in 2013 with the imposition of a huge fee payable up front. Since then Tribunal cases have dropped by over 70%.

That man has caused more damage to this country than anyone in the last 100 years. And I include Adolf Hitler and Maggie Thatcher in that list. So please don't knee jerk blame the people trying to do their job. Blame the culture these right wing xenophobes and idealogues have created and maintained.

BobG

BobG

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I suppose it is a kind of amnesty in an attempt to find out how many people were actually in the flats on the night of the fire.

I will take  as set in stone that number of people that was in the block on night of the fire ,was near enough the same numbers that had beds in the block during previous 6 months or so .

But the amount of people that was on record with the local council living in the block is far lower than the final death toll > and that's after the count of body's that been possible to recover .

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Oslo man....! "You have to ask why they are happy to turn a blind eye to law breakers "

Please, before you jump into slagging people off, just think about the circumstance existing at the time. I agree law breakers are getting away with murder these days. But how many Council employees have been made redundant this last 10 years do you think? How many have been forced out? How many have had enough and simply gone? Did you not see what I wrote before? 80% of the childcare budget in the county where I liove is spent on investigations. Brilliant. Until you realise then that there is nothing left to actually do anything. So kids are palmed off, forced away, pushed under the carpet. Fire Brigades had the duty to inspect buildings taken off them to cut costs. Then the cretins who did it after had their hours cut, for a tower block, from a decent length of time to 15 minutes. 15 bloody minutes! Thank you David Cameron. McDonald was right. It is institutionalised murder.

And just for interest, think about how governments always emnsure there is a ;police force to manage crime, a border force to manage immigration but guess what? There is nothing to enforce employment regulations. Nothing.  There is a HUGE clothing manufacture industry in Leicester for example that pays, on average, less than £4 an hour.  That is illegal. It used to be that an aggrieved employee could go to an Industrial Tribunal - but David Cameron stopped that in 2013 with the imposition of a huge fee payable up front. Since then Tribunal cases have dropped by over 70%.

That man has caused more damage to this country than anyone in the last 100 years. And I include Adolf Hitler and Maggie Thatcher in that list. So please don't knee jerk blame the people trying to do their job. Blame the culture these right wing xenophobes and idealogues have created and maintained.

BobG

BobG

Bob I see what your getting at ,but if Iam correct the Chelsea and kensington council Are the 2nd richest behind Manchester .

So there is money within this certian council to pay for more staff if that is the case .maybe this council is using the cut backs from the government as an excuse not to be fully staffed.

If the local splashed out to pay  check who is living in their rented flats it would save them money in the long run as it would help with the sub let issues.

Well that's what happens in my head BOB

[BobG]

Kensington and Chelsea is the richest borough in the UK. But that's the borough. Not the council. The Council is as under resourced as every other council. They dont have the wherewithall to do everything they should be doing. But, Kensington and Chelsea are special. Their spending undershoots even the relatively little they get - and they are proud of the fact. It is a council is peopled by right wing acolytes who take huge pride in the fact.  Clearly, they hold right wing political correctness above the welfare of people and institutions. 

BobG

[bpoolrover]

Oslo man....! "You have to ask why they are happy to turn a blind eye to law breakers "

Please, before you jump into slagging people off, just think about the circumstance existing at the time. I agree law breakers are getting away with murder these days. But how many Council employees have been made redundant this last 10 years do you think? How many have been forced out? How many have had enough and simply gone? Did you not see what I wrote before? 80% of the childcare budget in the county where I liove is spent on investigations. Brilliant. Until you realise then that there is nothing left to actually do anything. So kids are palmed off, forced away, pushed under the carpet. Fire Brigades had the duty to inspect buildings taken off them to cut costs. Then the cretins who did it after had their hours cut, for a tower block, from a decent length of time to 15 minutes. 15 bloody minutes! Thank you David Cameron. McDonald was right. It is institutionalised murder.

And just for interest, think about how governments always emnsure there is a ;police force to manage crime, a border force to manage immigration but guess what? There is nothing to enforce employment regulations. Nothing.  There is a HUGE clothing manufacture industry in Leicester for example that pays, on average, less than £4 an hour.  That is illegal. It used to be that an aggrieved employee could go to an Industrial Tribunal - but David Cameron stopped that in 2013 with the imposition of a huge fee payable up front. Since then Tribunal cases have dropped by over 70%.

That man has caused more damage to this country than anyone in the last 100 years. And I include Adolf Hitler and Maggie Thatcher in that list. So please don't knee jerk blame the people trying to do their job. Blame the culture these right wing xenophobes and idealogues have created and maintained.

BobG

BobG

bob when labour were in power what did they do to make the tower blocks safe? What have the labour councils done to make the tower blocks safe? Before you just blame cuts, we will use Blackpool labour council, were in 1 of the poorest areas and they want to spend 10s of millions on new hotels in a area where pretty much no1 has any money, can you try and answer this without blaming the tories?

[RedJ]

Playing devil's advocate, spending money on hotels will create jobs during the building stage and other jobs when the hotels are finished, as well as potentially fetching more people in to spend money locally.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Playing devil's advocate, spending money on hotels will create jobs during the building stage and other jobs when the hotels are finished, as well as potentially fetching more people in to spend money locally.

Yes, it's called 'investment' ie spending now with the eye to making your money back plus profit in the future. It's what business does. But Labour get vilified for when they suggest the government does it to create jobs and benefit the country's economic infrastructure.

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Let's all wake up and smell the coffee as most of us are not fools .

But if Labour was in at number 10 when this fire started ,the Torys would been at their necks like a Doberman pincher land all the blame onto Labour laps > just like what Labour are doing to Torys today.

Whoever was in the fire would have happened ,as nobody walks into number 10 and then in time rules that all fire and safety in all tower blocks must be re checked  unless there was a massive fire in the first place.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Let's all wake up and smell the coffee as most of us are not fools .

But if Labour was in at number 10 when this fire started ,the Torys would been at their necks like a Doberman pincher land all the blame onto Labour laps > just like what Labour are doing to Torys today.

Whoever was in the fire would have happened ,as nobody walks into number 10 and then in time rules that all fire and safety in all tower blocks must be re checked  unless there was a massive fire in the first place.

Are you really suggesting that everything that Bob G has highlighted happened under Cameron would also have happened under Labour? Seriously?

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Iam pointing out Glynn that whatever party was in the fire would have happened ,as I can't see anyone paying such close attention to the hidden pitfalls.

What bob g wrote was a Tory fcuk up ,but if Labour or whoever else had been in they would have fcuked it up another way .

[wilts rover]

If you go back through the posts on this thread you will see that after the Lakanal House fire in 2009 and then again after the report into it came out in 2013 several recommendations were made to government on how to make tower blocks safer in case of fire. These included how cladding spread the fire, how building regulations on fire safety were not clear enough and on retrofitting sprinklers when blocks are refurbished.

What we will never know is if a Labour government would have acted on these recommendations. What we do know is that the Tory government didn't.

Grenfell House was refurbished in 2015-2016.

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If you go back through the posts on this thread you will see that after the Lakanal House fire in 2009 and then again after the report into it came out in 2013 several recommendations were made to government on how to make tower blocks safer in case of fire. These included how cladding spread the fire, how building regulations on fire safety were not clear enough and on retrofitting sprinklers when blocks are refurbished.

What we will never know is if a Labour government would have acted on these recommendations. What we do know is that the Tory government didn't.

Grenfell House was refurbished in 2015-2016.

I could well be wrong with what I posted wilts ,but I  just don't trust whoever is running the country
tbh ,and it will allways take a massive disaster to take place for whatever suggestions, reports to be carried out .

Since this greenhall tower block fire is now out of the main stream media day in day out ,I get this fealing that it's normall for those in power to do their best for all joe public to move as government hide within the red tape issues .

[wilts rover]

This might cause you a major shock Oslo but I agree with just about everything you have said there.

Luckily though the survivors seem determined not to be rolled over and they have a good team working with them who wont either. They have written to the PM today setting out a list of their demands that they want to see happen before they will co-operate with an inquiry. It will be back in the news soon I am sure.

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However this government react to this particular disaster wrong or right ,I will allways suspect deep down inside that this government or whatever government are turning blind eyes to any amount of other potential disasters or pitfalls ,and will only react or be seen to react after whatever disaster that takes places.

It will take a massive change how all governments set their stalls out for me to change my mindset.

The worst  government that I hold to blame for this is the yanks ,as in my book bcak in days of black/white tv all governments were not as cunning as today ,and it was the yanks that allways went that extra yard which is now miles in pulling wool over our eyes .

That Hillary Clinton cow and her blow job of a  head husband Clinton are in a league of their own on this respect.

As for mr trump > time will tell.

[Geoff Blakesley]

NOF - what on earth is going on in your head dude - you seem to flit from one issue to the next - bac and forth back and forth. Your thinking is just not joined up or thought through. My advice is stfu !

[Sprotyrover]

If you go back through the posts on this thread you will see that after the Lakanal House fire in 2009 and then again after the report into it came out in 2013 several recommendations were made to government on how to make tower blocks safer in case of fire. These included how cladding spread the fire, how building regulations on fire safety were not clear enough and on retrofitting sprinklers when blocks are refurbished.

What we will never know is if a Labour government would have acted on these recommendations. What we do know is that the Tory government didn't.

Grenfell House was refurbished in 2015-2016.

What I find disturbing is that Sheffield Council are claiming they bought one standard of cladding, but the contractors fitted a cheaper version, if that pans out to be true, and the council will surely have kept details of the contract then somebody is in for the High jump.
And if it's happened in Sheffield where else, smells like the old Polson affair and it doesn't smell nice.

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NOF - what on earth is going on in your head dude - you seem to flit from one issue to the next - bac and forth back and forth. Your thinking is just not joined up or thought through. My advice is stfu !

Iam saying what I think Jeff ,you don't think bugger all as you seem to spend most of your time digging me out .

What I think don't mean Iam correct ,it just means that's what I think .

I think your a kunt ,but that don't mean Iam correct as Iam sure many on here will think different,that's their proogative ( can never spell that bastaard of a word) SIR .

[Geoff Blakesley]

I feel sorry for for anyone living in a tower block. As far as I know it everyone tested has failed the safety checks.