FLA march this weekend in London.

[wilts rover]

There were over 100000 at the Anti-Austerity March in July this year and over 1 million at the Stop the Iraq War March in 2003.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There were over 100000 at the Anti-Austerity March in July this year and over 1 million at the Stop the Iraq War March in 2003.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list

[not on facebook]

Still waiting for you to show where exactly these "reported" figures are being reported...

It’s what has been reprted on the FLA Facebook page and my mates chelsea Wayne , Luton Dave and Leicester mick have all told me the same ,who are members of said Facebook page.

So not the police at all as you claim, then?

I asked for official figures, not your mates having a guess.

If your that interested  about the figure of the march you dig out the official fugure or whatever figure you can find and Iam happy to leave it at that .

Iam only passing on what the FLA are saying on their Facebook page.it looks possible too me so i don’t doubt their word .

10,000 > 43,000? > what will the 3rd  march pull ?

[not on facebook]

There were over 100000 at the Anti-Austerity March in July this year and over 1 million at the Stop the Iraq War March in 2003.

I thought about that Iraq war march straight after I posted and a 1 million FLA march is out of the question .

But that anti austerity march of 100,000 is possible ,but only when they go open shop to general public on planned march .

[not on facebook]

There were over 100000 at the Anti-Austerity March in July this year and over 1 million at the Stop the Iraq War March in 2003.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list

Thanks for that link

[Glyn_Wigley]

Still waiting for you to show where exactly these "reported" figures are being reported...

It’s what has been reprted on the FLA Facebook page and my mates chelsea Wayne , Luton Dave and Leicester mick have all told me the same ,who are members of said Facebook page.

So not the police at all as you claim, then?

I asked for official figures, not your mates having a guess.

If your that interested  about the figure of the march you dig out the official fugure or whatever figure you can find and Iam happy to leave it at that .

I can't find one anywhere. That's why I'm interested in the BS figure you keep banging on about and where you and your mates have got a 'police figure' that the police themselves haven't issued!

Come on, you were quick enough to find links to videos about racism (which I hadn't raised at all), but you seem very reticent to find one for what I have asked for all along.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There were over 100000 at the Anti-Austerity March in July this year and over 1 million at the Stop the Iraq War March in 2003.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list

Thanks for that link

What very interesting about that link is how often the police figures are a fraction of what the march organisers claim.

[not on facebook]

Still waiting for you to show where exactly these "reported" figures are being reported...

It’s what has been reprted on the FLA Facebook page and my mates chelsea Wayne , Luton Dave and Leicester mick have all told me the same ,who are members of said Facebook page.

So not the police at all as you claim, then?

I asked for official figures, not your mates having a guess.

If your that interested  about the figure of the march you dig out the official fugure or whatever figure you can find and Iam happy to leave it at that .

I can't find one anywhere. That's why I'm interested in the BS figure you keep banging on about and where you and your mates have got a 'police figure' that the police themselves haven't issued!

Come on, you were quick enough to find links to videos about racism (which I hadn't raised at all), but you seem very reticent to find one for what I have asked for all along.

Look at the you tube footage that is out there on the last march Glynn and see if what you see matches up to 43,000 give or take .

That’s what I have done and accept what the FLA have put out untill Iam told different.

The FLA started with 4 mates round a pub table talking after the London borough market extreme terrorist attacks > 4 weeks later in June 2017 there was a 10,000 FLA march throu London with 30,000 members on FLA Facebook.

3 months after 1st march  October 2017 they have a 70,000 membership and are reporting a 43,000 march throu London.

So within the next 3 months going on membership numbers today , they should be close to 100,000 members if they keep it at a closed shop and they keep membership to their quite strict vetting policy .

So if they have the next march in London it should be pulling in 70,000 if they keep it to closed shop membership.if the 3rd march is in London this will tell all and sundry where they stand in terms of progress.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Still waiting for you to show where exactly these "reported" figures are being reported...

It’s what has been reprted on the FLA Facebook page and my mates chelsea Wayne , Luton Dave and Leicester mick have all told me the same ,who are members of said Facebook page.

So not the police at all as you claim, then?

I asked for official figures, not your mates having a guess.

If your that interested  about the figure of the march you dig out the official fugure or whatever figure you can find and Iam happy to leave it at that .

I can't find one anywhere. That's why I'm interested in the BS figure you keep banging on about and where you and your mates have got a 'police figure' that the police themselves haven't issued!

Come on, you were quick enough to find links to videos about racism (which I hadn't raised at all), but you seem very reticent to find one for what I have asked for all along.

Look at the you tube footage that is out there on the last march Glynn and see if what you see matches up to 43,000 give or take .

That’s what I have done and accept what the FLA have put out untill Iam told different.

The FLA started with 4 mates round a pub table talking after the London borough market extreme terrorist attacks > 4 weeks later in June 2017 there was a 10,000 FLA march throu London with 30,000 members on FLA Facebook.

3 months after 1st march  October 2017 they have a 70,000 membership and are reporting a 43,000 march throu London.

So within the next 3 months going on membership numbers today , they should be close to 100,000 members if they keep it at a closed shop and they keep membership to their quite strict vetting policy .

So if they have the next march in London it should be pulling in 70,000 if they keep it to closed shop membership.if the 3rd march is in London this will tell all and sundry where they stand in terms of progress.

Why did you say it was the police figures then when it was bullshit all the time?

If you want to believe your mate's guesses that's up to you but don't expect the rest of us to be so bloody gullible, and no need to lie about them being official police figures.

[del boy]

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45455/Mobilise+against+dangerous+new+racist+movement+after+FLA+protest+in+London

This article says there were between 15 and 20 Thousand

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45455/Mobilise+against+dangerous+new+racist+movement+after+FLA+protest+in+London

This article says there were between 15 and 20 Thousand

That's just somebody else's guess.

[RedJ]

I'll be interested to see what NOF's thoughts are considering the source...

[not on facebook]

I'll be interested to see what NOF's thoughts are considering the source...

Quite an eye opening read was that redj,thanks for posting the link.

I get the impression from the socialist worker and like minded, that anyone that don’t wear a black hoodie with a full face mask on and a rucksack on their back must be a racist or fascist .

What makes me chuckle is that untold lads were on this march from many northern clubs ,who will all have voted Labour as many would have read that socialist report on the march.

There is a picture from the socialist worker out there of the front man of the FLA with about 20 of his friends all in fancy dress as Jewish men > and the said paper deemed him and his friends all racist due to that picture.

Funny thing is ,is that is far from the truth as not one person in that photo is racist but that is how hard the left wing will go to discredit anything FLA with the racist slur.

I suppose in a way it’s good that socialist worker are far more worried about the FLA threat to them ,than any other threat that’s out there as this should keep the FLA on its toes.

The FLA do really need someone to addvice them on all PR aspects I guess .

They are doing a valid job within their Facebook page and have a waiting list of 5000+ waiting to be accepted to join.
They are taking far more time Iam told and doing far deeper background checks before accepting membership.
Also they are throwing out any members who post anything that’s not within the FLA non racist guidelines ,to which a lot have been blocked from posting  after whatever post.

As for the 43,000 number on the march ,that’s the figure Iam told the police passed onto the FLA .
It can be found within the FLA facebook chin wag .the police had a helicopter up over the march ,so I guess that’s where they got that figure from.

I read a socialist paper  report, that they must do all they can basically to to break up the FLA via counter protest I guess .this is the exact thing I was pointing out before the last march of which redj scoffed at .

So let’s see what happens on the next march.

If anyone that reads the socialist worker paper report on the FLA march and believe what’s written are FOOLS in capital letters.

Just like the verterans against terrorism lead spokesman ,the chap that was a former SAS hero as he went  public spouting that there was 73,000 on the march which is b*llocks .

You have one side of the fence with a 5000 to 20000 figure  spouting bolloocks ,then the other side of the fence spewing out even more knackers with a 73,000 figure .untill Iam told different i can accept 43,000 figure .

[Glyn_Wigley]

As for the 43,000 number on the march ,that’s the figure Iam told the police passed onto the FLA .
It can be found within the FLA facebook chin wag .the police had a helicopter up over the march ,so I guess that’s where they got that figure from.

'I am told', 'I guess'. You never said that when you first told us they were police figures - when they ain't, it's just gossip from feck knows where.

Sums up you and your usual level of 'facts' perfectly.

[not on facebook]

Like I said ted  > can I call you ted ? > Iam happy with the 43,000 figure unless told different.

If your so hung up on that figure ted ,bring what you think the figure is and Iam happy to accept that within reason.

Where do you want to start the FLA march figures bidding ted ?
20,000 > 30,000 > 10,000 > ?

Without backtracking Iam sure I said that there was 30,000 on the march , as this was the first number been thrown about whilst the march was still in progress .

When I get back from holland days later 43,000 is the fjgure  that police have passed onto FLA top table Iam told.

Iam all ears ted ,so please feal free to add your thoughts on the matter.

[hoolahoop]

Still waiting for you to show where exactly these "reported" figures are being reported...

Red J, can I suggest you Google it because there were a fair few on that march........rather than question it .

[RedJ]

He was the one giving 'reported' figures then backtracking saying it's just what he's been told. You don't make a claim then expect someone else to find evidence to support it when challenged.

[not on facebook]

I have not back tracked at all ,only told you where I was getting my info from as you kept asking .

Iam not on the FLA Facebook for obvious reasons .

If you try to google the numbers on the last march nothing comes up as bbc and sky news and other news outlets are kept wel, away from both of the FLA marches.

The bbc was present at the last march and were filming ,but since there was no running battles or shop windows been put throu the left wing bbc did not report on the march.

Iam still happy with the 43,000 figure what FLA have reported ,but Iam open minded to other figures within reason.

[i_ateallthepies]

Left wing BBC nof?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

[not on facebook]

Left wing BBC not?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

From what I pick up the bbc swung towards the left side way of thinking  sometime time back .

If me pointing out what I think I see makes me far right I better buy s hitler youth tie and button down shirt and start to goose walk to live upto your expectations son

[i_ateallthepies]

Perhaps you don't see as much of the BBC as the rest of us NoF.

[MachoMadness]

What's left wing about the BBC? Is Doctor Who secretly Communist propaganda or summat?

[Geoff Blakesley]

Left wing BBC not?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

From what I pick up the bbc swung towards the left side way of thinking  sometime time back .

If me pointing out what I think I see makes me far right I better buy s hitler youth tie and button down shirt and start to goose walk to live upto your expectations son

Thought you were doing that stuff already dude from your posts

[wilts rover]

Ken Loach has joined a growing chorus of complaints against the BBC for perceived political bias ahead of the upcoming British general election.

The veteran filmmaker and two-time Palme d'Or winner called out the public broadcaster for favoring the Conservative Party in its political coverage and its negative portrayal of Jeremy Corbyn, the left-wing leader of the Labour Party.

"The press and the broadcasters really do everything to denigrate him," he told The Hollywood Reporter. "I think the one thing that emerges is the bias of the press, particularly of the BBC, which is in such a very special position. It's disgusting...unbelievable. And they've really got to be called into question."

Loach added that there was a "built-in sneer" from the BBC against Corbyn, who he has openly declared his support for.

Several BBC reporters have been criticized of late for political coverage that is claimed to have breached the broadcaster's impartiality guidelines.

Political editor Laura Kuenssberg, who has come under repeated fire for her unsympathetic reporting of Corbyn, was found by the BBC Trust to have inaccurately reported the Labour leader's views over shoot-to-kill policies in a report in November 2015. Kuenssberg was also attacked via social media over a tweet about Conservative spending fraud during the election in 2015, labeling the incident — in which more than 20 members of parliament are being investigated by the police — merely as a "mistake."

Likewise Nick Robinson, the former BBC political editor and now a presenter on its influential political radio show, Today, was recently called out for a tweet April 20 in which he said: "no-one should be surprised that @jeremycorbyn is running v the 'Establishment' & is long passion and short on details. Story of his life."

As Loach highlighted to THR, Robinson's outspoken opinion regarding Corbyn could be explained by the BBC presenter's own Conservative political leanings. "He's a Tory! He was chair of the Young Conservatives at Oxford University," he said, claiming that biased coverage negatively affects the chance for real democracy.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ken-loach-criticizes-bbcs-disgusting-political-bias-uk-election-999503

[not on facebook]

Left wing BBC not?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

From what I pick up the bbc swung towards the left side way of thinking  sometime time back .

If me pointing out what I think I see makes me far right I better buy s hitler youth tie and button down shirt and start to goose walk to live upto your expectations son

Thought you were doing that stuff already dude from your posts

Hello again Jeff . As for my posts I only type what I think or what I think and see and more than likely wrong or miss informed  on many  accounts fella,as trawling what ever I post with links or FACTS is just not my cup of tea.

Take the 43;000 march figure as many on here are getting their knickers in a twist where I got that figure from.

As for me been left wing or right wing I have to say no to both wings from how I feal.iam just working class going down the middle of the  road .

I do know people out here that are right wing and I have drinks with them now and again ,and they know full well not to push any their views or material onto me ,as FV ,music etc etc is the only topics that I will sit and chin wag with them.

I also know a few left wing chaps out here ,and the exact same above goes whenever I have drinks with them.

I have told both sets that whoever Iam drinking with I will watch their backs at that exact time if push should come to punch.

Back in the day when I left school I used to wear doc martins all the time ,and I made a point of having red lacers in them .

I never wore yellow lacers because I am not a puff.

I never wore white lacers because I was not a ?

I wore red lacers because I liked a certian type of music ,and it was only the music I liked not the political stance that came with red lacers in doc martins back then.

I left some homework for you to let me know what white lacers in doc martins meant .

[idler]

Hasn't this thread run it's course? There is no real debate just an exchange of comments between two seemingly irreconcilable views.
Let's use forum space with hopefully something positive regarding our team.

[RedJ]

Left wing BBC nof?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

Anyone who doesn't agree with everything he thinks is left wing.

[not on facebook]

Left wing BBC nof?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

Anyone who doesn't agree with everything he thinks is left wing.

Maybe Iam a tad harsh throwing whoever into the same pot ,but there is a method in my madness .its only like many on here that say Iam racist due to what I post .so it works both ways in my book .

As for the bbc today ,they defo swing towards the left for certian .

The bbc years back were known to be a well balanced news outlet as you never really doubted their sending.
Today there are untold today  who have come up with same thought about the bbc as me.

There are many writes ups out there by whoever from all walks of life  asking the same questions of the bbc.

[RedJ]

Left wing BBC nof?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

Anyone who doesn't agree with everything he thinks is left wing.

Maybe Iam a tad harsh throwing whoever into the same pot ,but there is a method in my madness .its only like many on here that say Iam racist due to what I post .so it works both ways in my book .

As for the bbc today ,they defo swing towards the left for certian .

And I suppose you watch loads of BBC news out there in Norway?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Left wing BBC nof?  That only speaks of how far to the right you really are.

Anyone who doesn't agree with everything he thinks is left wing.

Maybe Iam a tad harsh throwing whoever into the same pot ,but there is a method in my madness .its only like many on here that say Iam racist due to what I post .so it works both ways in my book .

As for the bbc today ,they defo swing towards the left for certian .

And I suppose you watch loads of BBC news out there in Norway?

And for someone who takes pride in not looking up anything to back up what they say, I can't help but wonder who these people are he speaks of.