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Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 31, 2018, 08:22:13 pmBST, Hoolahoop asked Sproty, "Is there a nation that you do have respect for Sproty"?I said "He shows respect for the UK, which is refreshing these days".How or why did you assume that I don't love my country from the contents of my post ? Like Billy and others, if we didn't give a fook about our country , then why are we so desperately trying to maintain its position in the world ? We dont want it to be poorer, we dont want our friends and allies around the world thinking we dont care about ALL our people , we want to work properly with others for a brighter , safer, fairer and more prosperous future. That certainly , in my view anyway, can't be done shackled to the USA, who incidentally want to put trade barriers up with our new friends in China , have sanctions already imposed on Russia ( mentioned above ) and want to build walls along the Mexican border In addition they want to renege on the trade deal they have signed with Mexico and Canada . Currently the USA are far from " sound " allies except when it suits them and only them . Finally there is the USA 's attitude on NATO, their foreign aid to bribe countries to vote with them and their attitude to global warming and the fact that they are the ONLY country to sign up to the Paris Accord but then once again renege on that agreement. It doesn't bode well surely does it ? By the way I love the USA and most of the Americans I have met in my life
BST, Hoolahoop asked Sproty, "Is there a nation that you do have respect for Sproty"?I said "He shows respect for the UK, which is refreshing these days".
Quote from: hoolahoop on February 01, 2018, 07:56:46 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 31, 2018, 08:22:13 pmBST, Hoolahoop asked Sproty, "Is there a nation that you do have respect for Sproty"?I said "He shows respect for the UK, which is refreshing these days".How or why did you assume that I don't love my country from the contents of my post ? Like Billy and others, if we didn't give a fook about our country , then why are we so desperately trying to maintain its position in the world ? We dont want it to be poorer, we dont want our friends and allies around the world thinking we dont care about ALL our people , we want to work properly with others for a brighter , safer, fairer and more prosperous future. That certainly , in my view anyway, can't be done shackled to the USA, who incidentally want to put trade barriers up with our new friends in China , have sanctions already imposed on Russia ( mentioned above ) and want to build walls along the Mexican border In addition they want to renege on the trade deal they have signed with Mexico and Canada . Currently the USA are far from " sound " allies except when it suits them and only them . Finally there is the USA 's attitude on NATO, their foreign aid to bribe countries to vote with them and their attitude to global warming and the fact that they are the ONLY country to sign up to the Paris Accord but then once again renege on that agreement. It doesn't bode well surely does it ? By the way I love the USA and most of the Americans I have met in my life You clearly don't have much respect for our neighbours in Sheffield judging by what I have just pulled you up for on another thread!
Camerons legacy. Give the people a say and that will shut the Euro sceptics up for a generation after which I will be gone anywayInstead he presented us the compete mess we have now * and one which (whether we Leave or not) will probably "haunt us" for many years to comeCheers Cameron - * but you are ok as Sam has a field somewhere in Scunthorpe !
Genius, the current line from the Tories. May says we will be leaving THE customs union. Hammond says we will need to stay in A customs union. Fox says we will not be in ANY customs union after Brexit. Rees-Mogg says anyone whose predictions disagree with what happens in Rees-Moggland is fiddling the figures. Well that’s clear then. Obviously the Govt is pulling together to deliver exactly the Brexit that the Will of the People clearly and unambiguously demanded in June 2016.
“...the present arrangement is a hideous international embarrassment. It seems to me painfully obvious that we need an extension of the negotiating period set by article 50 – entirely possible under its section 3 – if only to replace panic with some semblance of deliberation. And, sooner rather than later, there should be another general election.“I am scarcely Jeremy Corbyn’s greatest fan, but the notion that the status quo must be preserved simply to thwart his chances of becoming prime minister is not only democratically contemptible but morally outrageous. Indeed, the prospect of a fresh election would force Labour, at last, to spell out its plans for Brexit, and embrace the risks of clarity.“Yes, I know the voters are fed up of trudging to the polling booths. But they’ll be even more fed up if Britain sleepwalks into a second-rate status, with all that implies, because a clinically dead government was permitted by a mixture of squeamishness and boredom to remain on life support. Time to flick the switch and see what happens.”
It just gets to be more and more of a farce, and an unfunny one at that. Number Ten confirms this morning that we're definitely leaving the Customs Union. Later today Barnier confirms that this means we'll lose the benefits of being in the Customs Union...and then David Davis - sat next to Barnier! - says we want to still have all the benefits of being in the Customs Union but not be members of it! You couldn't make it up. I can't believe people are willing to trust this bunch of amateurs to negotiate loads of free trade deals after we leave the EU.
Perhaps the EU still think there's a chance that the momentum switches back toward remain and by whatever means a new vote could be had, but fear that any strong-arm tactics by them would only serve to cement any wavering brexiters back firmly in the 'leave' camp.
Would no-nonsense hardliner Jacob Rees-Mogg handle the negotiations better?