The Ashes

[wing commander]

   You are right Donnywolf,it cant be a coincidence,he used to be a handy controlled lower batsmen..It had to be a decent ball to get him out..Now it's like he doesn't want to even bat,every innings is the same whatever the game situation..March out,throw your bat at it and be back in the hutch...
   The fact that he's a big tall bowler,he should be our most effective yet they are milking him out the attack with no problems...
   I can see these getting 550 and then steaming through us again..Although strangely for Perth the weather could be a issue..

[NickDRFC]

You can't blame someone going in at 9 for losing his wicket cheaply, it's not his job to put runs on the board. It's not Stuart Broad's batting that is the issue, it's his bowling.

[wing commander]

I would agree with you on the Bowling Nick,it's poor at the minute and in truth has been for a while..

  I do take issue with you on the batting though..Cricket has moved on from 10 years ago,everybody has to be able to bat,as every year goes by there are less out and out rabbits,they are taught how to defend,block and score off the bad ones.And history tells us he can bat,he's had numerous test 50's to his name batting sensibly and patiently...So he can do it if he implies himself properly..As a bowler you don't need a plan..Short of a length and broad will dish his wicket up on a plate....

    Not just him though Moeen Ali is having a mare again too..

[glosterred]

  I will say this though..If Stokes was Australian or a similar thing would have happened to one of there best players I bet either they would have fast tracked the investigation or he would still be playing anyway..

I agree, I don't think Warner was prevented from playing when he chinned Joe Root a few years ago

He was banned from the first two tests for chinning Root

[Filo]

You can't blame someone going in at 9 for losing his wicket cheaply, it's not his job to put runs on the board. It's not Stuart Broad's batting that is the issue, it's his bowling.

Bairstow lost his wicket because he had no confidence in any of the lower order to stick around, so started playing risky shots to get runs on the board

[Donnywolf]

He would have been elated at getting a Maiden Ton v Aussies and as senior man did what you said. Threw the Bat knowing he would run out of partners

Unfortunately as Wing Co said above Smith wont run out of partners till he declares just after his double Century and them on  550 ish

Really REALLY hope I am miles out (but ok on Super 6 instead)

[Filo]

  I will say this though..If Stokes was Australian or a similar thing would have happened to one of there best players I bet either they would have fast tracked the investigation or he would still be playing anyway..

I agree, I don't think Warner was prevented from playing when he chinned Joe Root a few years ago

He was banned from the first two tests for chinning Root

Ok, I stand corrected, two tests verses the whole series

[Filo]

Todays play proves how poor our lower order are, Smith closing in on a double ton and every batsman is hanging around with him

[Filo]

Aussies now one behind with 6 wickets still standing, the writing is on the wall for England now, expect a declaration after lunch tomorrow giving Australia 5 sessions to bowl England out

[Donnywolf]

He would have been elated at getting a Maiden Ton v Aussies and as senior man did what you said. Threw the Bat knowing he would run out of partners

Unfortunately as Wing Co said above Smith wont run out of partners till he declares just after his double Century and them on  550 ish

Really REALLY hope I am miles out (but ok on Super 6 instead)

Looks like my Super 6 today will be s**t

I was wrong about a declaration when Smith got to 200 as they are still only on 460 but 550 is not far away on this wicket in these conditions and our Bowlers

Rain a possibility on last 2 days - wouldn't you just know it so if the Aussies get their skates on today and half of tomorrow they will have a day and a half to get through us - and unless the rain gets too heavy they will have time and ideal conditions to make it 3-0

[The Red Baron]

It's been a lot more one-sided than I expected it to be.

[Donnywolf]

 ... I have been watching with a sack on my head (an improvement before BB gets that one in) for the last 2 hours

There is no limit to the score that they can amass as there seems nothing in the Wicket at all !

 

[Filo]

... I have been watching with a sack on my head (an improvement before BB gets that one in) for the last 2 hours

There is no limit to the score that they can amass as there seems nothing in the Wicket at all !

 

Nothing in the wicket but Australia managed to skittle our last 6 wickets for 60 odd runs. I'd suggest theres nothing in our bowling

[RedJ]

Just woke up. Flicking through BT as I like to watch the A League on weekend mornings. Seen the Aussies' score. Nah.

[Filo]

England coach Paul Fabrace on BT Sport

"I think we've played well today"

Can we have him drug tested or sectioned please?

[glosterred]

Time for a radical overhaul of the team, out must go Anderson, Broad and Cook for starters. All past their best now.

[Draytonian III]

If Anderson,Broad and Cook go, who do you replace them with ? I'm not a big fan of Broad but there's not many bowlers in county cricket of his standard. English test cricket is suffering from the money that's in twenty20 which has made players all bit part players, bowl a bit , bat a bit .
Also world wide test cricket should use the same ball for 5 years , not keep changing between Kuccaburra and Dukes depending on where the game is being played

[glosterred]

You can replace Anderson and Broad with any of the following, Curran, Ball, Woods (when fit) or a whole host of county players. They won’t be as good as those two were. But you have to blood them at sometime as time has caught up with England’s opening pair.

[The Red Baron]

Time for a radical overhaul of the team, out must go Anderson, Broad and Cook for starters. All past their best now.

I think Cook and Broad might have jumped the shark, but Anderson? He's still an excellent bowler in English conditions and if he stays fit he'll take plenty of Aussie wickets in 2019.

[Filo]

If Anderson,Broad and Cook go, who do you replace them with ? I'm not a big fan of Broad but there's not many bowlers in county cricket of his standard. English test cricket is suffering from the money that's in twenty20 which has made players all bit part players, bowl a bit , bat a bit .
Also world wide test cricket should use the same ball for 5 years , not keep changing between Kuccaburra and Dukes depending on where the game is being played

In India they use SG balls

[Filo]

Time for a radical overhaul of the team, out must go Anderson, Broad and Cook for starters. All past their best now.

I think Cook and Broad might have jumped the shark, but Anderson? He's still an excellent bowler in English conditions and if he stays fit he'll take plenty of Aussie wickets in 2019.

Thats the problem with Anderson, bang average in conditions other than English

[The Red Baron]

Time for a radical overhaul of the team, out must go Anderson, Broad and Cook for starters. All past their best now.

I think Cook and Broad might have jumped the shark, but Anderson? He's still an excellent bowler in English conditions and if he stays fit he'll take plenty of Aussie wickets in 2019.

Thats the problem with Anderson, bang average in conditions other than English

Well, he's a swing bowler and if the ball doesn't swing much he won't be as effective. Worth noting he's England's leading wicket taker in this series, in conditions that are not helpful to him.

With Broad the problems seem to go deeper. He strikes me he's lost both a bit of pace and the ability to move the ball. I thought so last season.

[Draytonian III]

I once met Broad's dad Chris ,arrogant turd 💩

[Filo]

From a position of 384-4 in the first innings we are now one wicket away from an innings defeat and losing the ashes, totally unacceptable!

[Filo]

Australia have taken 60 wickets in the three matches, England have taken 39, add those figures to our batting woes and there was only ever going to be one winner

[glosterred]

As I said earlier, it’s time for a radical shake up getting rid of the old guard

[Filo]

As I said earlier, it’s time for a radical shake up getting rid of the old guard

I agree, Cook, Moeen and Broad should be on the next flight to Heathrow, Broad especially, ineffective bowling and lost the ability to bat, he was once considered an all rounder at one time as well

[The Red Baron]

I would leave Broad out but even though they have been poor, where are the alternatives to Cook and Moeen? There isn't another opener in the squad and the other spinner is untried and no batsman.

[Filo]

I would leave Broad out but even though they have been poor, where are the alternatives to Cook and Moeen? There isn't another opener in the squad and the other spinner is untried and no batsman.

Sir Geoffrey got right on BT Sports this morning, Moeen is not a quality spinner as proved by Nathen Lyon, he's a T20 batsman that can bowl a bit

[wing commander]

   One thing that amazes me is that England despite having therapists,nutrionists etc etc don't think they need a coach for spin..Haven't done for years apart from Mushtaq Ahmed of course but he was brought in as a bowling coach for everyone..It was a coincidence he was a spinner..One coach covers both fast and spin bowling..Its crazy,two different arts..
  We haven't got a spinner at the moment,i don't really class Moeen as one tbh,all the specialist spinners are not good enough...We have Graham Swann working the radio when he should be working with the young spinners....
    Personally I'm done with Broad..I would rather start blooding a youngster for the long term than persevering with someone who is clearly on the wain rather than out of form..Better to do it in stages rather than both main strike bowlers together..Cook will retire I think..He has the look of a guy who is on the verge of it...Ironic that before this series started the question was were the likes of Stoneman,Vance and Malan up to the task..The answer is yes,sadly the ones we didn't question clearly arn't against the very best...