Trump

[BillyStubbsTears]

He will be. Probably before Easter.

It's actually great how slowly and remorselessly the Mueller investigation is rolling on. Imagine what it's like being Trump. Knowing every night before you go to bed, and every morning when you get up and start tweeting that it's coming for you. Slowly. Unavoidably. Inevitably. And there is nowhere to hide.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And when even the most putrid of rats like Fox News are leaving, you know the ship is sinking.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5978768497001/?#sp=show-clips

[MachoMadness]

To be fair, Shep Smith is the reasonable one on Fox News. He's conservative, but not an utterly batshit swivel-eyed conspiracy theorist like almost everyone else on the channel. He routinely criticises Trump, albeit gently. He's there to lend legitimacy to the propaganda machine, so I wouldn't count Fox out just yet. They had Hannity and Pirro literally stand on stage and campaign with Trump during the midterms, after all.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'll take your word for it MM. I'd rather stick pins in my gonads than watch Fox News as a rule.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Remember ever day that a man-child who flies into a rage on Twitter everytime someone takes the piss or criticises him, has his finger on the nuclear button.

He used to have three grown ups watching over him.

Tillerson, Kelly and Marris. Rumour was that they had made a pact that one of them would always be within rubgy tackling distance of the President.

Just in case.

All three have now gone.

It's not the most settling of thoughts.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Goodness.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1079850037088342017

It's a heavy read, but if true, this is looking like treason by the Trump campaign.

This is a respected journalist and author setting out detailed evidence that the Trump campaign worked with known Kremlin disinformation platforms to circumvent the democratic process by spreading known lies about Clinton in 2016.

That'd be some outcome. An American President facing the death penalty for High Treason.

[GazLaz]

It all looks too convenient doesn’t it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Excellent interview (more an interrogation) of Seth Abramson here.
https://chirb.it/baBKt6

That is a man who has his finger on the pulse, who has encyclopaedic knowledge of Trump's crimes, and who never overplays his hand. Every accusation he makes is backed up with impeccable research.

People who are not reading Abramson are totally unprepared for the huge shock coming down the way, when the evidence of the mind-boggling extent of Trump's treasonous behaviour gets set out by Mueller.

[silent majority]

These from yesterday are very interesting;

https://t.co/IYMc7yfiuU

https://t.co/sYXeE4j8BP

[BillyStubbsTears]

He's a traitor hiding in plain sight. Putin had him by the b*llocks because (at the very least) Trump was illegally collaborating with Kremlin officials during the campaign. And there's almost certainly financial agreements going back way longer.

It is almost too much to take in. It's the biggest political scandal in history.

Think about it.

The President of the USA. Bribed and blackmailed into being an agent of the Kremlin.

The terrifying question is: what is the effect on American democracy when the entire story comes out and is undeniable. What do the 40% who've been happy to turn a blind eye to his criminality, amorality and venality do when it turns out he's the biggest traitor in American history?

What's supposed to happen is that they throw their hands up, admit their error and join in the task of re-building America's faith in itself.

What I fear will happen is that they'll fall for the Fox line that they are being misled by the Liberal Elite, and they are justified in taking to the streets.

[GazLaz]

Who is going to take the stance and try and bring him to task BST? Would it have to be the senate?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If they go for impeachment, the House passes a resolution starting the process, then the President is tried by the Senate. Needs (I think) a 2/3rds majority to actually impeach him in the Senate.

I'll be amazed if it gets that far.

When Mueller finally reports, the Democrats will prefer not to start impeachment. They'll want Trump finishing off his term with the scandal hanging over him day after day, and all the Republicans who supported him ritually humiliated.

The Republicans will try every back room threat they can to get Trump to stand down.

But he won't stand down. Because when he does, he can be tried for his multiple felonies in a normal court. And after that, he will die in prison.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wow.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation?bftwnews=&utm_term=4ldqpgc&__twitter_impression=true

If this is true (and the report says the investigators have e-mail evidence) then that's him done. Direct evidence of criminality.

What's that old saying? It's not the original misdeed that brings you down. It's the crimes you commit in trying to cover it up.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way. Some viewing here for the "Well at least he's a strong leader" Putin apologists in here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/status/1086333157765337094

That's what he does to a young woman who claims to have incriminatory evidence on Trump.

[Boomstick]

What? They arrested her? What else was gonna happen?

Looks like she resisted arrest, and they used appropriate force, and filmed it to prove it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You could read around it BS instead of reading into it what you want.

She was in transit at Moscow airport. On the air side. Not on Russian territory. She was getting a connecting flight to Minsk.

Security officers drugged her, stuck her in a wheelchair and pushed her onto Russian territory, where she was then taken away.

But hey. You normalise it if you want.

[Boomstick]

No issue, other than the drugging. If indeed that's true.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No issue BS?

1) She's Belarusian, not Russian.
2) She was being deported from Thailand to Minsk. Via Moscow.
3) There is no record of Russia having an arrest warrant for her.
4) The worst crime she has been accused of by Russia (accused of by politicians, not the judiciary not that the distinction massively matters in practice) is prositution. (Ironic, I know...).
5) Have you ever known someone accused of prostitution be physically and forcibly restrained by 4 security agents in an airport transfer lounge, with no arrest warrant?
6) I'm sure it's entirely coincidental, but she had a fling (possibly paid for) with Oleg Deripaska.

But, I'm sure you're right. No issue.

If you don't want to trouble your conscience with the legal issues, have a couple of minutes with your own soul in a quiet room this afternoon and ponder what that woman is experiencing right now. And whether you really care.

[Filo]

No issue BS?

1) She's Belarusian, not Russian.
2) She was being deported from Thailand to Minsk. Via Moscow.
3) There is no record of Russia having an arrest warrant for her.
4) The worst crime she has been accused of by Russia (accused of by politicians, not the judiciary) is prositution. (Ironic, I know...).
5) Have you ever known someone accused of prostitution be physically and forcibly restrained by 4 security agents in an airport transfer lounge, with no arrest warrant?
6) I'm sure it's entirely coincidental, but she had a fling (possibly paid for) with Oleg Deripaska.

But, I'm sure you're right. No issue.

If you don't want to trouble your conscience with the legal issues, have a couple of minutes with your own soul in a quiet room this afternoon and ponder what that woman is experiencing right now. And whether you really care.

That Woman is probably dead now,

[wilts rover]

It's a shame for us all that didn't happen to George Osbourne when he went on his yacht attempting to solicit donations for the Tories (allegendly). How history may have turned out differently.

Oleg Deripasga. Putin ally, one time employer of Paul Manafort, friend and funder to many well connected people who should know better including not only Osbourne but also Blair and Mandelson.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/04/world/europe/oleg-deripaska-russia-oligarch-sanctions.html

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla

[bobjimwilly]

What? They arrested her? What else was gonna happen?

Looks like she resisted arrest, and they used appropriate force, and filmed it to prove it.

You're such a f*cking troll. Used to be against the rules on the forum; not sure if it still is?

[MachoMadness]

That seems to be the mantra of the right these days. Don’t worry about being right, or about having a grown up discussion. Just say whatever you think will trigger those lefties!

[Sandy Lane]

No issue BS?

1) She's Belarusian, not Russian.
2) She was being deported from Thailand to Minsk. Via Moscow.
3) There is no record of Russia having an arrest warrant for her.
4) The worst crime she has been accused of by Russia (accused of by politicians, not the judiciary) is prositution. (Ironic, I know...).
5) Have you ever known someone accused of prostitution be physically and forcibly restrained by 4 security agents in an airport transfer lounge, with no arrest warrant?
6) I'm sure it's entirely coincidental, but she had a fling (possibly paid for) with Oleg Deripaska.

But, I'm sure you're right. No issue.

If you don't want to trouble your conscience with the legal issues, have a couple of minutes with your own soul in a quiet room this afternoon and ponder what that woman is experiencing right now. And whether you really care.

That Woman is probably dead now,

I’m surprised that this woman came out publicly with her claims knowing as she did what would happen.  I do remember reading her story many months ago and it was apparently ignored, but now that she states she has recordings of their conversations and other evidence of US election hacking, she has been ‘detained’ by Russia.  I also wonder if she’ll ever be heard from again.

On the Trump business I am very happy that finally, finally the mainstream press is getting on board with the Russian investigation, although unfortunately that recent report about Cohen by BuzzFeed news had to be clarified by Mueller's team. The bad news is that according to Seth Abramson’s twitter feed it sounds like Russia is the tip of the iceberg and worse is yet to come.  Apparently there are Trump deals with Netanyahu, UAE, Egypt and others, yet to be uncovered.  Someone did ask Seth if he thought at the end of this whole business if we would survive as a nation and thankfully he said he thought we would, but who knows; and you also wonder if America as a nation has seen our peak.

[BillyStubbsTears]

She's been released from detention today. But will be back in court later this month for prosecution. Given the publicity this case has had, maybe even Putin has decided that he can't just do away with her in the way that he has done with others who crossed him and Deripaska.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And another one in the net.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713

This is the man who acted as a go-between from Trump to Assange to get Wikileaks to leak the e-mails stolen from the Democratic party by Russia.

Mueller is remorselessly closing in on everyone in Trump's team. It's like a glacier just grinding on. Slowly. Unstoppable.

Trump must feel like he's being garotted to death over a 3 year period.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh aye. Slipped my mind earlier. Stone is a close acquaintance of our own, dear Nigel. There was much speculation last year that it was actually Farage who acted as intermediary between Assange in London and Stone.

And Farage, as we know, is already a "person of interest" in the Mueller investigation...

[Dutch Uncle]

Thought this was brilliant:

https://worldofwonder.net/quora-nate-white-hilariously-answers-the-query-why-do-british-people-not-like-trump/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, here's the next Trump associate in line for doing time.

Meet Erik Prince. Former head of the private army, Blackwater, who made hundreds of millions of dollars in Iraq.

Erik Prince who has been making some of the secret connections between Trump's team and various Middle East power brokers in what is a conspiracy that is too big to be realistic in a Hollywood movie.

Erik Prince who has carried an air of brazen confidence about him.

Erik Prince being invited to admit committing perjury in possibly the finest interview you will ever see.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1104166202354663424

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus f**king wept.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1122329252182089729

He is a f**king monster. A moral black hole.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And this is where politics is in 2019.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1131728912835383300?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

That video has been doctored (badly, to be honest) to make the Democrat Speaker look like a drunk and a halfwit. Even Fox News later came out and said it was fake. Even Fox-f**king-News...

But, meanwhile, the Leader of the Free World re-tweets it. And doesn't apologise or delete the tweet. Because he is a moral vacuum.

There's no pride or standards or morality left. All that matters is winning. Any lie, any abuse, any misleading meme is OK, as long as you win and they lose.

And, co-incidentally, look who the people are on this Board and in this country who support and condone Trump. Tells you all you need to know.