Houghton

[darren61]

Sorry pib not pub.

freudian slip

[since-1969]

A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.

He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released.  Who can blame him?

We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate?  Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.

We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.

Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.

For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.

What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?

[acko]

To me i dont personnelly like this loaning of players with the exeption of emergency cover for goalkeepers,it doesnt give our own youngsters any encouragement.The rovers were badly bitten with the Johnstone affair recalled at a minutes notice to join another club again on loan.Regarding houghton  i admit has impressed but remember Manderville looked a star in the making last season.To me we should be looking for more experianced players on permanant deals not just another club giving their youngsters a platform to shine hoping more money can be made for someone they dont really want

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There's a long list of players who joined the club initially on a loan basis. It's sensible to try before you buy. The first loan I can really remember was Tony Woodcock. We didn't sign him of course but I'm glad to have seen him in a Rovers shirt.

Loans work both ways and better get used to it, as we will always utilise the loan market.

[ravenrover]

Some say it's all down to wages, anybody thought he might be like some of the pessemists on here, and waiting to see which league we are in next season?

[sedwardsdrfc]

A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.

He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released.  Who can blame him?

We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate?  Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.

We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.

Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.

For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.

What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?

Jordans good but can't see Chelsea offering him a new deal at all, Conte won't even know who he is they will have about 10 other players in his position out on loan around the world who are as good or better and probably younger

[selby]

 I am personally not that bothered about Whiteman or Houghton staying if we cannot afford his wages, it is unfortunate about the timing so near to the cup game, but January is notorious for top fees being paid, and  when the parasite agents feather their own nests.
  This is the danger of loan players, the club is being used to coach, bring on, and look after another teams players, whose club will not hesitate to take them back if they want/need to.
  If Houghton does stay until the end of the season,great, but I would prefer us to replace him with a permanent player if possible, but only if he does leave now that is, and would be happy if he stayed until the end of the season, then both parties can do what they think is best for them.
  If another club does not come in with a permanent move by the end of this window, I think we can assume that it is either a contractual problem, where it is not to Houghtons  advantage to sign at the moment, or an agent trying it on at an important time of the year, to  feather his own nest.
  It will  be interesting to see the outcome,

[since-1969]

The impact loans have had leaves the clubs progresss is in the hands of events or inflated market values. How DF can plan the future , when so many come in and leave if recalled after 6 months must be infuriating. The loans system now , is a double edged sword . You take players in and they get injured and you can’t replace them or they perform brilliant and they get recalled and your back to square one .

[Lesonthewest]

I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?

Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.

[CantleyRed]

I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?

Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.

I think you call that Instagram stalking lol. Quite a lifestyle the lad has!

[eastender]

Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.

Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.

[steve@dcfd]

We have loan players because we can’t sign permanent players. If we had signed Jordan permanent we did not have the funds without players going out to sign another player.

So how could we sign three midfield players that are  better than what we have when we only had money for one.

[graingrover]

Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.

Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.

DF made it clear in an interview a while ago that JH would not be invited to discuss terms until it was sanctioned by his parent club .

[eastender]

Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.

Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.

DF made it clear in an interview a while ago that JH would not be invited to discuss terms until it was sanctioned by his parent club .

Right , i must have missed that interview .

[pib]

A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.

He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released.  Who can blame him?

We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate?  Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.

We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.

Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.

For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.

What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?

What if they do? Would be a surprise given they're willing to sell him to a L1 side now.

[ravenrover]

The positive side of this is there must be the money put aside for signing JH still in the pot. Who might that be used for?

[steve@dcfd]

The positive side of this is there must be the money put aside for signing JH still in the pot. Who might that be used for?

You are right but if another club comes in and meets the valuation agreed with Chelsea Plus negotiates agreed wages we could lose him this window. So we might have hang on to that money.

[Campsall rover]

It sounds like a very complicated jig saw puzzle.
Maybe it’s not as complicated as is being made out on here.

[ravenrover]

Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?

[steve@dcfd]

Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?

I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window  even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.

[RedJ]

Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.

Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.

Is that not effectively tapping up?

[Lesonthewest]

I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?

Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.

I think you call that Instagram stalking lol. Quite a lifestyle the lad has!

I deliver to him & his partner.

[RoversAlias]

Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.

Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.

Is that not effectively tapping up?

It would be, yes. Even if the player is on loan here, you have to agree a transfer with the parent club before conducting any negotiations with the player and his agent regarding that transfer.

[anne honemous]

I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.

Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can

A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.

We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.

All good, IMO.

[Lesonthewest]

I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.

Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can

A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.

We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.

All good, IMO.

Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.

[anne honemous]

I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.

Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can

A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.

We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.

All good, IMO.

Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.

Spot on.

[since-1969]

You only have to listen to DF to hear that he was disappointed not to get it finalized . Houghton has nothing to prove we are a better team with him in front of the defence,  he is an excellent player with a level headed approach. We have only to look at last season when we lost him for the remainder of the season and our form dipped to the point where winning the League was just dream instead of the reality it should have been .

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It could be any number of things why he (or his agent) didn't accept the first offer. The point is there was no time for protracted negotiations as his loan had expired. Unlike with Marquis where time wasn't really an issue, this had to be dealt with fast or lose his services. Given the Whiteman situation, we need Houghton in the line up on Saturday.

To be assuming we can't afford his wages is naïve. Bearing in mind a permanent transfer away from Chelsea is,a big step for him, he and his agent can afford more time to get the best terms.

[drfc1951]

Can we still sign him permanently in this transfer window if he has signed on loan?

[Campsall rover]

Can we still sign him permanently in this transfer window if he has signed on loan?

Yes of course. Most loans are very flexible.