Blatant penalty !

[roversdude]

Looking around the Leagues there seems to have been some controversies at all levels this weekend:

Watford v Southampton. Watford player scores equaliser with his hand.

Newcastle v Swansea. Newcastle defender saves a goal with his hand.

Middlesbrough v Fulham. Boro denied a penalty as blatant as ours and then concede one from a dive (at least the diver should cop a ban over that).

Lincoln v Notts County. Cowley sent to the stands for protesting about a goal.

And just now... Bournemouth v Arsenal. Referee misses an Arsenal handball despite being perfectly placed.

Should give the FA food for thought, but I won't hold my breath. All referees involved (except at Lincoln) are full timers.

and how many different views and the use of slomo did you have to make those decisions, assuming you saw them all on tv that is? The ref has 1 chance in real time

Seriously Raven - you only needed one view from anywhere in the ground at real time to see that was the most nailed on penalty ever

assume you mean the foul on Copps? Don't think that one wss mentioned in the post I replied to.
As for the Copps foul they mentioned it back to NASA from the space station it  was that obvious

Sorry Raven that’ll teach me to read all of a post

[The Red Baron]

I think I'm right in saying that some refs delegate fewer responsibilities to lino's than others. Maybe Saturday's lino was told not to get involved in penalty incidents.

Any referee at that level who tells his assistants only to get involved in throw ins and offsides should be demoted.

[IDM]

It absolutely was done due to the gender reason.

Was it?

I thought the term "assistant referee" was brought in to remind everyone that linesmen (and women) are actually equally qualified referees...

Usually "linesmen" in higher leagues are referees at a lower level. 

[The Red Baron]

It absolutely was done due to the gender reason.

Was it?

I thought the term "assistant referee" was brought in to remind everyone that linesmen (and women) are actually equally qualified referees...

Usually "linesmen" in higher leagues are referees at a lower level. 

It was a bit of both. The term "assistant referee" was first used in the Laws in 1996. It was to reflect the fact that they were there to assist referees, not just make line decisions. Also there was an increasing number of female officials, so the role was made non gender specific.

Assistants used to referee on either the Panel (National League) or Contributory leagues (eg Northern Premier). However, officials are now expected to specialise after a few years. So very few of the assistants we see now will do much refereeing in the middle.

[ravenrover]

... and as I always say (and will continue to bore people on here no doubt) we need a Ref in each half

DF was right in one way saying Refs are "unfit" but maybe he should have gone on to say "in relative terms to the athletes they are chasing about these days"

Give them just a half each to rules over and things would improve somewhat but would still be open to errors like the foul on John Stones or the Penalty shout when Copps was fouled with the Refs ideally placed and one with a Lino exceptionally well placed as well

But Donnywolf the Lino ( assistant ref ) was perfectly placed to see both penalties on Copps (Rochdale & Plymouth ) but still did not signal for a foul or speak to the ref.
That’s simply not doing your job. Incompetence. Anybody in a job making those kind of mistakes would be likely to get a written warning. Are the officials accountable enough. Most are certainly not fit enough. DF is not wrong.

how do you know the lino didn't speak to the ref?

[Donnywolf]

I know the Lino was perfectly placed in the Copps Penalty shout (and that was the one I was highlighting - the Lino in his case had a brilliant view. I did not express myself that well. In the Stones incident the Lino was not on that side)

We have discussed earlier that some Refs tell them NOT to interfere - and stick to just Offsides Throws and Goal Kicks etc That is probably why the one Saturday did not get involved. They are miked up so perhaps the Ref may have said don't get involved and stubbornly did not call the Lino (I am speculating)

Or he might have said do not get involved unless I ask your opinion. Then (again pure speculation) he might have said I saw no Penalty unless you have any different input. Lino then says no I am with you

Its hard to guess what really happened and who said what to who BUT in my humble opinion I have no doubt the Ref was wrong as it WAS as DF said as plain a Penalty as you could wish to see

[Dagenham Rover]

and having watched the footage on u tube from a Plymouth supporter there is a definite foul on Butler prior to the Plymouth goal perfectly viewable from the east stand lino  I hope Fergie shoves the footage down the FA's throat but even if he does he'll cop it