NOT GOOD ENOUGH MR FERGUSON

[lee.j09]

Oh and please explain where I have said we have or will have 67 points?

the eleven games which you consider to be relegation form have yielded 16 points; as our colonial cousins would say, you do the math (to extrapolate that over an entire season...)

and as for your very civil invitation, no thanks, i'm just a gobshite keyboard warrior who, as everyone will confirm, has neither courage in my convictions, principles or sense of common decency - best ignored - but that doesn't make you any less wrong 

I only refrenced no win in 8.

[dickos1]

Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip

I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.

You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.

Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games

[dickos1]

According to my records we were 17th in League One when Dickov walked out the door after the Gillingham game on 5th September 2016. Two years of Ferguson and we are now sitting at 15th in the same league. Is that the record of a successful manager? What I find disconcerting is his belief that draws and a mediocre performance are acceptable.

We have picked up only 6 points from the last 7 games and that is the record of a team that would be relegated over a full season. Don’t be fooled by our current mid-table position as most teams in League One have games in hand over us and that will drive our true position down. Unless we pick up more points soon we could be in trouble.

The squad we have at the moment are not tough enough to cope with the nasty physical side that comes at the end of every season. I would swap ALL our strikers for one Billy Sharp any day.

You're taking away games against some of the best sides in the division and using that as a formula over 46 games

Utter nonsense

[drfchound]

Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip

I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.

You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.

Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games

But neither of the two examples you have quoted are asking for the manager to be sacked.

Six points from the last seven games is another way of looking at things as well.

As you can tell from the majority of posts on this thread though, there is concern about our current position.

[Bentley Bullet]

We haven't won a game this year. We have played 7 league games and drawn 6 and lost 1. That gave us 0.85 points per game. over a season that average would mean we finished with 39 points. That is relegation form.

Also this year, we lost a lucrative FA cup match against (bottom of the table?) Rochdale.

Just shows how stats can be manipulated to make a point.

[steve@dcfd]

Despite who is manager we only have players who at the moment are good enough to tread water in this league. That’s why we will finish in the bottom half of the league. At worst we might get relegated. DF makes mistakes like all managers but we haven’t got the squad to make improvements in performance.

We need to start at the academy if we were a category 2 academy we would attract better players we would play in premier league 2 U23 league northern section and premier league cup. We can then say we were bringing young players through who can step up.

Al these things either bringing quality players or improving the academy cost money.

Instead let’s blame DF for not getting the best out of the players we have. When we should all realise a majority of players will not take us forward to where the board want us to be.

[dickos1]

Peterborough away
Shrewsbury away
Scunthorpe away
Portsmouth away
Everyone would have snapped your hand off to get 4 points from these fixtures, the home form has been poor.
But we've lost one game out of 11 games and we've people asking for the manager to be sacked.
Get a grip

I haven’t seen one post saying he should be sacked. What we are despairing at is Fergie tactics and constantly playing people out of position. Unable to defend corners week in week out.
Those four draws were excellent points yes.

You're not looking properly then, opening post says he should be considering his own position, another says he won't be going again until he's left the club, another stating he's clueless.

Not many clubs will have supporters stating nonsense like this after a run of 1 defeat in 11 games

But neither of the two examples you have quoted are asking for the manager to be sacked.

Six points from the last seven games is another way of looking at things as well.

As you can tell from the majority of posts on this thread though, there is concern about our current position.

Yep, from the same old people.
1 defeat from 11games 8 games, 6 games whichever what you want to look at it, is not disastrous form is it.
The fixtures we've had since 1st Jan have been extremely tough on paper and we've lost 1.

Always going to be the same people waiting for something to moan about.
We're 2 points off 11th place.

We are midtable, everyone said they'd be happy with midtable,

[Michael Shaw]

Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts. 

[redordead]

 Shoot the manager,shoot the ref  . I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.

[steve@dcfd]

Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts. 

Michael are blaming DF for our position solely?

[dickos1]

Clearly dickos, you live in a blinkered world where until it is confirmed we are relegated (hopefully not!) you will not accept that we are only just skimming above the drop zone with only 6 points of safety and other clubs have games in hand. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and we are fine go ahead, but you can't expect the rest of us to ignore facts. 

The facts are we've lost one game in 11 and are 2 points off the top half

6 points off relegation is more than it has been for majority of this season

[drfchound]

Shoot the manager,shoot the ref  . I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.

I think we all give 100% support to the team.
I certainly do, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t show concern that we can’t seem to win a game.
Those who appear to be happy with that are welcome to their own opinion.

[Filo]

Shoot the manager,shoot the ref  . I believe the idea is you support your team through thick and thin. The manager picks the team for us to support and they need the fans encouragement to deliver the best performance on the pitch. We are a new league one team and are holding our own so far , if detractors can offer constructive alternative to what we have which will improve our present position then I will listen ,until then DRFC as a whole have my 100% support.

I think we all give 100% support to the team.
I certainly do, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t show concern that we can’t seem to win a game.
Those who appear to be happy with that are welcome to their own opinion.

I can't see anyone saying they are happy with that, what I can see are folk saying things are not as bad as other folk make out

[Campsall rover]

DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. 
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. 
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION.   

[selby]

  In my humble opinion there is no doubt that Fergie has improved the overall organisation, and standard of this clubs playing standards.
  Most of that improvement has been at levels below the first team, although I do believe that we are better at that level than we were the day he stepped through the door.
  That is part of my frustration, I have seen every game both last and this season, and even though we got promotion, and are not doing that bad this season I feel we could have last season, and this, done better at first team level.
   Some of the repetitive mistakes by individual players seem to get overlooked or forgiven whatever, while other players seem to be dropped, and even frozen out when playing no worse than others who retain their places.
  Whether it is a man management problem, or an attitude of, I rule the roost, and it's my way or the highway, who knows?
   What I cannot understand, is why a manager who has put a great structure into the club, is willing to try different formations, sometimes changing it 3 times in a game, cannot see what I think the majority of our supporters see, and that is that he plays some of our players in positions that do not suit their ability.
   It does the players no favours, the team suffers, and pressure builds on himself.
   The last thing I want is Fergie to be sacked, I think overall he has done a great job with our teams as a whole, promotion this season was not on my agender, a mid table finish is quite acceptable to me. But as happened yesterday, when we play poorly, field a team that again has a couple of changes, even though we had a good result, and team display the game before, as a supporter I reserve the right to criticise, but it is only my opinion on what I think on a discussion forum, not something to fall out about between ourselves, or make personal insults about.
   

[WarwickRover]

  :thumbsup:How can we compare Fergie to Dickov, but I guess you can? Yes, Fergie can be frustrating with his selections, formations and substitutions but we are playing better football compared to what Dickov served up were after week IMO. I'm not particularly happy with the football we are being served at the moment, however we have had 3 centre backs injured in one week, 2 loanees who are doing there best and will take time to adjust, no proper left back since Andrew got injured, no right back (and that is Fergie's fault), two players serious injuries/illness ( McCullough and Alex ?). Yes it's all his fault perhaps but there again he is doing that best with what he has. Onwards and upwards and we will be in L1 next season.

[Campsall rover]

I agree Brian about the club as a whole and the youth set up has improved. DRFC is a very well run club and I believe the club has grown in stature and is well respected in the football world.
The problem is as you can see also is the tactics on the field of play.
DF is confusing the players with his indecision on positions and formations. The players need stability and to understand their roles within a team structure.
Dean Saunders team may not have played the purist football but by heck IT WAS A TEAM.
I don’t want DF sacked ( unless we get relegated ) but next season is a big one and we need to see a team structure and a way of playing which gets the best out of his squad. Next season anything less than top 8 ( hopefully top 6 ) I would deem as failure. We must at least be in a challenging position for the play offs come April 2019.

[ravenrover]

Let's all draw breath!
Games in hand mean nothing points on the board is what matters, are we all assuming that all the teams below us with games in hand will win them all? They are below us for a reason. There is no doubt that a couple of wins will do us a world of good, in fact 3 more and a couple of draws should see us safe let's start to worry come April if said points haven't been won

[RedJ]

Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.

Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.

[ravenrover]

You really think some of them will win all their games in hand, we can only play some of them once
We aren't far apart then in points needed, so we nearly agree

[drfchound]

You really think some of them will win all their games in hand, we can only play some of them once
We aren't far apart then in points needed, so we nearly agree

Well seeing as most of them will have only one or two games in hand, yes, why can’t some teams win one or two games?

Also, yes 12-15 point should see us safe, I bet almost every one of us will agree on that.
It does seem as though it is getting harder getting there with our current inability to get a win.

[RedJ]

You really think some of them will win all their games in hand

Why not? it's getting towards that time of year where freak results and random runs of form come out of nowhere.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.

Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.

According to the old Stubbs method, the team finishing 4th bottom this year will get 44 points.

Not sure I believe it myself, but I’ve said that in the past and it’s never been out by more than a point or two.

So I’ll stick my neck out. Two more wins and we’re safe.

[Campsall rover]

Obviously they all won't win all their games in hand but some of them are bound to.

Realistically we need 12-15 points, I reckon.

According to the old Stubbs method, the team finishing 4th bottom this year will get 44 points.

Not sure I believe it myself, but I’ve said that in the past and it’s never been out by more than a point or two.

So I’ll stick my neck out. Two more wins and we’re safe.

BST I think you are sticking your neck out on that one. I will be surprised if the team finishing 4th from bottom doesn’t get 50 points this season.

[Draytonian III]

Ah well work in the morning

[BillyStubbsTears]

Campsall.

I’m just using a method that worked in to within a point or two every season from 12/13 to 15/16. I didn’t use it last year because there really wasn’t much point as we were promoted before the Christmas decorations were down.

No idea if there’s any rhyme or reason behind my method but it was extraordinarily accurate for 4 years from a long way out from the end of each season.

It’s based on looking at the form of all the sides in the bottom half (or top half if you’re interested in promotion) and extrapolating that through to the end of the season. It doesn’t assume that teams who are in good or bad form will stay in good or bad form. It’s more about assuming that if one team picks up in form, it’s likely that another one will drop off. So you can kind of estimate average points returns for the whole pack and predict the points that the side that finally finishes in each position will get.

I’d be delighted if it broke down this year because then I could put it to bed. But since it’s been so accurate in previous seasons, I figured it was worth trotting out again.

[dickos1]

DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. 
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. 
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION.   

If we win on Tuesday we're likely to go 11th, that's not a relegation battle, even if we then lose on Saturday.
I've said many times when he's got things wrong, Wigan away for example, Scunthorpe away, and yes on Saturday.
But all managers make decisions that supporters don't agree with, listen to talk sport you'll get Man U fans, arsenal fans, Liverpool fans all complaining about their manager.
But the facts are we've lost one game out of 11, we're midtable, a place where most of the complainers said they'd snap your hand off for.
The whole meaning of midtable means your not that far off the relegation zone,

As for going backwards, we've played 32 games this season, the first 16 games we got 18 points the second 16 games we've got 21 points. From much tougher fixtures. Not going backwards are we.

I can't believe you say you try to be positive

[Park Rover]

What position would we be in if he played players in their right position? Creative players like Rowe and Blair providing the passes for Marquis to score from. ( I wonder why we haven’t been scoring many goals 😜),That’s the question that should be asked. We have chased too many games this season because Fergie has set the team up wrong from the start.
We have good individual players who should do well in this league. Problem is they don’t know from one week to the next where they will be playing.
Give us a settled team with creative players playing in positions that can hurt defences. Some of the football I’ve seen down at the Keepmoat recently is the worst I’ve watched in a long long time.

[Campsall rover]

DICKOS I admire your loyalty ( if that is the right word ) to all things
DRFC but you really do need to take your blinkers off.
I consider myself to be one of the most positive posters on this site, Always looking for the positives not the negatives. But reality is what is staring us in our faces. DF is not improving this team, in fact I feel at times we are going backwards. Allowances need to be made due the age of many of our players I will accept.
The problem is Fergie’s constant tinkering with formations and playing Mason, Rowe and Blair in particular out of position.
Tommy Rowe is our most creative player and yesterday he spent 75 mins in his own half. That is quite frankly ludicrous. Mason is a right back and needs to stay there as we don’t have anyone else better in the current squad. Blair is not a full back and should be playing further up the pitch where his pace can hurt the opposition.
Until DF gets this right we are going to continue to struggle to string positive results together.
Is it any wonder we score so few goals when the players that should be creating chances ( and scoring some goals themselves) are spending nearly all their time defending.
We created almost ZERO chances yesterday and got very luck at the death. Our starting formation yesterday was a joke. 
The opposition must be laughing when they see our best player at left back. 
DICKOS open your eyes and take those red and white hooped tinted glasses off and be HONEST. Do you really think everything is well with the way DF is running the tactical side of the team. What about our continual inability to defend corners? It’s an epidemic which HAS TO BE SORTED.
The next two matches have to yield 4 points or we are in a relegation battle. FACT not FICTION.   

If we win on Tuesday we're likely to go 11th, that's not a relegation battle, even if we then lose on Saturday.
I've said many times when he's got things wrong, Wigan away for example, Scunthorpe away, and yes on Saturday.
But all managers make decisions that supporters don't agree with, listen to talk sport you'll get Man U fans, arsenal fans, Liverpool fans all complaining about their manager.
But the facts are we've lost one game out of 11, we're midtable, a place where most of the complainers said they'd snap your hand off for.
The whole meaning of midtable means your not that far off the relegation zone,

As for going backwards, we've played 32 games this season, the first 16 games we got 18 points the second 16 games we've got 21 points. From much tougher fixtures. Not going backwards are we.

I can't believe you say you try to be positive

You don’t read my posts then as I have spent most of the last 2 years on this site moaning about the moaners on here.
Dickos it’s not our league position that is relevant it is the number of points above the bottom 4 that is relevant. We are 6 points off a relegation place.
You keep bringing up the last 11 matches to suit your argument.
The FACT is we have not won a match since beating Rochdale in the league on 29th Dec.
So 2018 is winless FACT.  You can dress it up anyway you wish but IF we do not WIN one of the next two matches the WE ARE IN A RELEGATION SCRAP. Irrelevant of our league position.
CAN YOU NOT remember JAN to MARCH 2016 when we went 16 league games without a win.
I am not suggesting that is going to happen again but if you cannot see why people are concerned at the present winless run then you are not living in the same world as the rest of us.
Negativity and concern are two totally different things aren’t they?
Having said all that as I am a very positive, glass half full person, I think we might beat both Walsall
( well over due a win against them ) and Fleetwood.    BUT IF WE DONT WIN at least ONE then well. ???

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here’s a simple argument why it’s unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely) that the team finishing 4th bottom will get 50 points as several people on here are suggesting.

To get 50 points, this is how many points per game the bottom 9 sides would need from now to the end of the season.

Bury 1.79
Rochdale 1.32
MK Dons 1.25
Oldham 1.21
Wimbledon 1.07
Blackpool 1.07
Northampton 1.00
Fleetwood 0.88
Walsall 0.81


So one of the bottom four would have to significantly improve on its season long form, AND Wimbledon, Blackpool and Northampton would have to maintain their season long form AND Fleetwood and Walsall would have to not have a slight dip.

Not impossible but very unlikely.