Mass murderer kills himself in remorse?

[Sprotyrover]

The Ukrainian Air Force pilot who Russia claims shot down airliner Flight Mh17 over the Ukrainian has taken his own life with a Pistol!
Family say it's suicide.

[Glyn_Wigley]

"Who Russia claims"

[Sprotyrover]

"Who Russia claims"

There were 2 AWACS aircraft monitoring that airspace and they never disclosed what they had recorded. It's a good indication that the Ukraine shot down the plane , the Pilot couldn't live with his guilt.

[RedJ]

Come on now Glyn what possible reason can you think of for the Russians to want to try and stitch up Ukraine?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty. Where has the family said it is suicide?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.

Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.

And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.

Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.

I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.

[Copps is Magic]

There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.

[Sprotyrover]

There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.

American intelligence came to the same conclusion,the same bunch who aided abetted counselled and procured, the Ukrainian coup ,the same bunch who illegally taped Angela Merkel mobile calls, is that the bunch you naively trust in!

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty. Where has the family said it is suicide?

According to the New York Post, he was at home told his wife he was depressed and wa
Liked into another room where he shot himself with his service Pistol.

[Copps is Magic]

Go on then Sprotyrover, let's take out American intelligence.

That leaves the comprehensive Dutch investigation which showed conclusively it was Russia. Let's comment on that, because I want to judge the degree of your spuriousness.

Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.

These Russians bots can be extremely convincing!

[Sprotyrover]

Go on then Sprotyrover, let's take out American intelligence.

That leaves the comprehensive Dutch investigation which showed conclusively it was Russia. Let's comment on that, because I want to judge the degree of your spuriousness.

Sometimes i read your posts and think you're playing a character but fear you may be a real person.

Bit like the time you said you would give Copps Fellatio you mean 😂😂😂

[hoolahoop]

There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.

American intelligence came to the same conclusion,the same bunch who aided abetted counselled and procured, the Ukrainian coup ,the same bunch who illegally taped Angela Merkel mobile calls, is that the bunch you naively trust in!

Nah sorry Sproty I'm not buying that shite - The Dutch knew what happened, there was bragging from the Russian soldiers and this is what happened ....is Putin paying you for some of this alternative stuff or are you yanking our chains and pissing yoursen  ?

According to Nayda, a Buk launcher used in the shootdown was moved back into Russia the night after the attack. The SBU released another recording, which they said was of pro-Russian-separatist leader Igor Bezler being told of an approaching aircraft two minutes before MH17 was shot down.

It was a BUK missile and there was coverage of it coming in from Rostov -on Don and going back again . The Ukrainians didn't have BUK s

[Dagenham Rover]

sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was  film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town  guess what there was an awful lot  of black negatives

[Sprotyrover]

sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was  film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town  guess what there was an awful lot  of black negatives

mate of mine went to a crash site on east Falkland and recovered a Sea king with Argentine Marking they took note of the NATO serial numbers and found out it was ex us navy.

[hoolahoop]

sort of as an aside I was down the Falklands I took quite a few photo's of stuff the government denied were down there, in those days it was  film that had to be developed I had it developed when I got back to my depot a Garrison town  guess what there was an awful lot  of black negatives

mate of mine went to a crash site on east Falkland and recovered a Sea king with Argentine Marking they took note of the NATO serial numbers and found out it was ex us navy.

The Argues nicked it or was it sold to them I wonder ?  Bit difficult to pinch the keys for a Sea King.

[Filo]

There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.

There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to it, the conclusion as you say was that a surface to air missile brought it down, shrapnel was found in the aircrew bodies and matched shrapnel amongst the wreckage. The missile was designed not to hit the target but to explode close by, this one exploded to the left of the cockpit, with shrapnel damage confined to the cockpit area of the aircraft

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.

[hoolahoop]

There is conclusive evidence presented by the dutch investigating team that it was a Russian missile, from Russia, that shot down the plane. They released a video (which I can't seem to find now) that explained it meticulously step by step with corroborated evidence. I mean, the conclusion was so far beyond doubt it was ludicrous. I've just done a quick google search and it seems American intelligence camr to the same conclusion.

There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to it, the conclusion as you say was that a surface to air missile brought it down, shrapnel was found in the aircrew bodies and matched shrapnel amongst the wreckage. The missile was designed not to hit the target but to explode close by, this one exploded to the left of the cockpit, with shrapnel damage confined to the cockpit area of the aircraft

Exactly it wasn't an air-to- air missile unless you're Russian of course.

[Sprotyrover]

Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.

The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.

[hoolahoop]

Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.

The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.

You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?

[Sprotyrover]

Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.

The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.

You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?

Dagenham rover brought this up not me,I merely added some info I knew myself.

[hoolahoop]

Not sure what the issue about the Sea King. There were several examples of the USA selling on platforms to Argentina before the Falklands War. The General Belgrano had been USS Phoenix in WWII.

The Argentine Navy bought 5 in the early 80's built by Sikorsky.

You've changed the subject matter Sproty , weren't you telling us about how a Ukrainian pilot committed suicide following his attack on MH 17 ?

Dagenham rover brought this up not me,I merely added some info I knew myself.

I know he did but you neatly side- stepped different versions of the downing of MY 17 by following up on that story once challenged on your own version of events - long ago discredited !

[Sprotyrover]

There were3 Sukhoi Su25 hedgehoppers in the immediate air space of Flight MH17 one flown by Vladyslav  Voloshyn was slungwith 2 Soviet era Anti Air missiles. A ground crewman of the Ukrainian airforce claimed only Voloshyn returned the other 2 Sokhoi Su 25 were shot down by the Russian Sam system Voloshyn had fired off both his Air to air missiles at 21k feet the missiles were capable of travelling 10 kilometres if one exploded within 500 feet of an airliner it could bring it down.you only need to puncture a pressurised window to down it.

[hoolahoop]

In October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile (NATO reporting name: SA-11 Gadfly) launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[6][7] In September 2016, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) confirmed the missile type which had downed the aircraft and said that the Buk missile system had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel controlled area and returned to Russia after the Buk was used to shoot down MH17. The JIT had established the identities of approximately 100 people, witnesses or suspects, who were linked to the transporting of the Buk, but said that their evidence "must stand before a court".[8]

The DSB and JIT findings confirmed earlier claims by American and German intelligence sources and the Ukrainian government as to the missile type and launch area. In 2014, Ukraine and US intelligence had also said that Russia had supplied the Buk missile to pro-Russian insurgents, who had mistakenly shot down the aircraft.[9][10][11][12] Also in 2014, German intelligence sources reported that they believed insurgents had stolen the missile from the Ukrainian military.[13][14][15

There is even film of said BUK missile launcher arriving via the Russian / Donetsk border and returning over said border the following morning minus a missile

https://youtu.be/968-IPGKRiA

[Sprotyrover]

Voloshyn was interviewed about the allegation, he denied it all stating that yes the witness had worked at the base and yes 2 of his colleagues flying Skhoi SU 25 Aircraft. had been shot down by BUK missiles in an incedent but that was six days after the Airliner was shot down.
The AWACS aircraft report was never disclosed.

[idler]

Sproty, if you have any empathy with what Russia did to the Ukraine then in my eyes you are severely misguided.

[hoolahoop]

Sproty, if you have any empathy with what Russia did to the Ukraine then in my eyes you are severely misguided.

Hmm I couldn't agree more , just a little investigation into available info out there should tell you that as idler has pointed out - you may be on the wrong track ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mind, it wouldn't surprise me. It's quite astonishing how many people who come onto Putin's radar as being problems end up offing themselves.

Just last week and old associate of Boris Berezovsky seems to have strangled himself. And of course, 5 years ago, Berezovsky hanged himself.

And in 2015, the journalist Alexander Shchetinin who had criticised Putin shot himself.

Then there was Scot Young, the property developer with links to Berezovsky who jumped out of a fourth floor window and impaled himself on railings.

I'm assuming that they are racked with guilt for upsetting the Great Leader who is so loved by his people.

Well bugger me! There’s another Putin critic who has carelessly walked into a bullet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44296672

Someone should tell them to be more careful, eh?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Apropos the original subject of this thread, perhaps these investigators had better keep an eye out too..!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-missile-ukraine-2014-russia-military-netherlands-deaths-investigation-a8366721.html