Is stop and search suspended

[selby]

  If it is, they want to bring it back, or lose the streets in London. It's becoming a right dog hole.

[Sprotyrover]

  If it is, they want to bring it back, or lose the streets in London. It's becoming a right dog hole.

[Sprotyrover]

 :suicide:You reap what you sow,I'm afraid!

[hoolahoop]

No it's back on but with the " I no my rights " lawyers in attendance and the black community leaders saying " we  can police our own tarn/ communihi "- making them into police No - Go areas etc . The police have no chance - the kids white / asian/ black have no respect for their elders and on the whole some shite role models to look upto .

MANY urban areas are living teetering on the edge of a complete structural breakdown  with extreme poverty being a driving factor for some of the crimes that are being committed . Then there are kids with too much time on their hands ; idleness  becomes mischief , mischief quite often means running with the gangs , the early excitement of drugs / handling leads to  petty crime and later drug- running, competition for territory and finally of course far more serious crimes.
Most major towns and cities have the same problem but it's not helped by the reduction in community policing, over-stretched social services, extreme poverty and of course austerity caused by the turds running it i.e. the Tory Party.

Vote them out , kill Brexit (a further exercise in self- harm) , reverse austerity and let's truly have this country working for the many not the few. At the moment , it's for the few at the expense of the many .

You do Indeed reap exactly  what you sow. The last time it felt like this was the 70's - its no coincidence. Welcome to the future .

[selby]

  Well hoola I don't see poverty like the 1920s and 30s. The famous razor gangs in Sheffield and Birmingham were put to the sword.
   They just beat the crap out of them and took them off the streets, no P.C. about then, and an acceptance of law and order, if you did wrong, and were caught, you were going to pay the price.
 

[RedJ]

Not sure where "P.C." comes into beating the f**k out of people as a means of control.

[bpoolrover]

No it's back on but with the " I no my wights " lawyers in attendance and the black community leaders saying " we  can police our tarn/ communihi " etc . The police have no chance - the kids white / asian/ black have no respect for their elders and on the whole some shite role models .

MANY urban areas are living teetering on the edge of a complete breakdown in structure with extreme poverty being a driving factor for the crimes that are being committed . Kids with too much time on their hands idleness  becomes mischief , mischief means running with the gangs , which means the early excitement of drugs, petty crime and later drug- running, competition for territory and then of course far more serious crimes.
Most major towns and cities have the same problem but it's not helped by the reduction in community policing, over-stretched social services, extreme poverty and of course austerity caused by the turds running it i.e. the Tory Party.

Get them out , kill Brexit (a further exercise in self- harm) , reverse austerity and let's truly have this country working for the many not the few. At the moment , it's for the few at the expense of the many .

You do Indeed reap exactly the Labour Party will feel better what you sow. The last time it felt like this was the 70's - its no coincidence. Welcome to the future .

do you really think stopping brexit and giving these killers parents more money will stop them joining gangs and these killings? If so it’s a big worry

[hoolahoop]

  Well hoola I don't see poverty like the 1920s and 30s. The famous razor gangs in Sheffield and Birmingham were put to the sword.
   They just beat the crap out of them and took them off the streets, no P.C. about then, and an acceptance of law and order, if you did wrong, and were caught, you were going to pay the price.
 

Neither do I see the same level of poverty , however it's the widening gap between the top and bottom of society that is becoming a problem and yes far too much pc about.

[hoolahoop]

No it's back on but with the " I no my wights " lawyers in attendance and the black community leaders saying " we  can police our tarn/ communihi " etc . The police have no chance - the kids white / asian/ black have no respect for their elders and on the whole some shite role models .

MANY urban areas are living teetering on the edge of a complete breakdown in structure with extreme poverty being a driving factor for the crimes that are being committed . Kids with too much time on their hands idleness  becomes mischief , mischief means running with the gangs , which means the early excitement of drugs, petty crime and later drug- running, competition for territory and then of course far more serious crimes.
Most major towns and cities have the same problem but it's not helped by the reduction in community policing, over-stretched social services, extreme poverty and of course austerity caused by the turds running it i.e. the Tory Party.

Get them out , kill Brexit (a further exercise in self- harm) , reverse austerity and let's truly have this country working for the many not the few. At the moment , it's for the few at the expense of the many .

You do Indeed reap exactly the Labour Party will feel better what you sow. The last time it felt like this was the 70's - its no coincidence. Welcome to the future .

do you really think stopping brexit and giving these killers parents more money will stop them joining gangs and these killings? If so it’s a big worry

Once again Poolie you over- simplify my post .
 
(1) Stopping Brexit - why will this help ?  because it will deprive our country of vital economic resources and affect the amount that can be given to both Policing and Local Services to help deal with these serious crimes.
(2) Giving extra money to parents ? Where was that mentioned ? I presume you meant that I was thinking by ending austerity - I would be giving out handouts directly to parents ? Don't be ridiculous !!

It's you that I worry about with those assumptions  and lack of political and social awareness .
In case you hadnt noticed , Brexit will be a clusterf**k - let me know when you get unicorns grazing in the Lancashire countryside now won't you

[drfchound]

  If it is, they want to bring it back, or lose the streets in London. It's becoming a right dog hole.

I see on the news this morning that a 78 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a confrontation with two burglars in his house, resulting in one of the criminals dying after being stabbed.
So the bloke in his own house is in trouble for defending it against burglars.

[bobjimwilly]

I see on the news this morning that a 78 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a confrontation with two burglars in his house, resulting in one of the criminals dying after being stabbed.
So the bloke in his own house is in trouble for defending it against burglars.

I would wait until more details come out about this before giving an opinion. For example, if the burglar saw someone was in, tried running out and made it to the front door, only to be chased and stabbed in the back, that is not self-defense - that is murder. However, if the old man was defending himself in his bedroom, that is obviously self-defence.

[Bentley Bullet]

What if he was running out with the old man's life savings?

[bpoolrover]

No it's back on but with the " I no my wights " lawyers in attendance and the black community leaders saying " we  can police our tarn/ communihi " etc . The police have no chance - the kids white / asian/ black have no respect for their elders and on the whole some shite role models .

MANY urban areas are living teetering on the edge of a complete breakdown in structure with extreme poverty being a driving factor for the crimes that are being committed . Kids with too much time on their hands idleness  becomes mischief , mischief means running with the gangs , which means the early excitement of drugs, petty crime and later drug- running, competition for territory and then of course far more serious crimes.
Most major towns and cities have the same problem but it's not helped by the reduction in community policing, over-stretched social services, extreme poverty and of course austerity caused by the turds running it i.e. the Tory Party.

Get them out , kill Brexit (a further exercise in self- harm) , reverse austerity and let's truly have this country working for the many not the few. At the moment , it's for the few at the expense of the many .

You do Indeed reap exactly the Labour Party will feel better what you sow. The last time it felt like this was the 70's - its no coincidence. Welcome to the future .

do you really think stopping brexit and giving these killers parents more money will stop them joining gangs and these killings? If so it’s a big worry

Once again Poolie you over- simplify my post .
 
(1) Stopping Brexit - why will this help ?  because it will deprive our country of vital economic resources and affect the amount that can be given to both Policing and Local Services to help deal with these serious crimes.
(2) Giving extra money to parents ? Where was that mentioned ? I presume you meant that I was thinking by ending austerity - I would be giving out handouts directly to parents ? Don't be ridiculous !!

It's you that I worry about with those assumptions  and lack of political and social awareness .
In case you hadnt noticed , Brexit will be a clusterf**k - let me know when you get unicorns grazing in the Lancashire countryside now won't you

put more police on the streets I doubt half the police will go near some of the areas where the crime is so high, you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it

[roversdude]

Papers could have got a better picture of him to print
My personal opinion is that you should be allowed to defend yourself and your property

There is an argument for compulsory sterilisation within society
The poverty arguement only goes so far - I work for a housing association and we have some properties in prestigious buildings that working people could only dream of owning, some of tenants live like scum both within their property and in communal areas, thing is they breed a new scumbag every year

[BillyStubbsTears]

No it's back on but with the " I no my wights " lawyers in attendance and the black community leaders saying " we  can police our tarn/ communihi " etc . The police have no chance - the kids white / asian/ black have no respect for their elders and on the whole some shite role models .

MANY urban areas are living teetering on the edge of a complete breakdown in structure with extreme poverty being a driving factor for the crimes that are being committed . Kids with too much time on their hands idleness  becomes mischief , mischief means running with the gangs , which means the early excitement of drugs, petty crime and later drug- running, competition for territory and then of course far more serious crimes.
Most major towns and cities have the same problem but it's not helped by the reduction in community policing, over-stretched social services, extreme poverty and of course austerity caused by the turds running it i.e. the Tory Party.

Get them out , kill Brexit (a further exercise in self- harm) , reverse austerity and let's truly have this country working for the many not the few. At the moment , it's for the few at the expense of the many .

You do Indeed reap exactly the Labour Party will feel better what you sow. The last time it felt like this was the 70's - its no coincidence. Welcome to the future .

do you really think stopping brexit and giving these killers parents more money will stop them joining gangs and these killings? If so it’s a big worry

Once again Poolie you over- simplify my post .
 
(1) Stopping Brexit - why will this help ?  because it will deprive our country of vital economic resources and affect the amount that can be given to both Policing and Local Services to help deal with these serious crimes.
(2) Giving extra money to parents ? Where was that mentioned ? I presume you meant that I was thinking by ending austerity - I would be giving out handouts directly to parents ? Don't be ridiculous !!

It's you that I worry about with those assumptions  and lack of political and social awareness .
In case you hadnt noticed , Brexit will be a clusterf**k - let me know when you get unicorns grazing in the Lancashire countryside now won't you

put more police on the streets I doubt half the police will go near some of the areas where the crime is so high, you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it

I hear this “shut up remoaning and wait and see what happens” line a lot.

Thing is, when it turns out to be shitter than you’d ever imagined it could be, THEN what do you do?

What you’re saying Bpool is something like this. Your driving at 70mph down the road. Two people in the car with you. One keeps telling you that he reckons this road is fine and you’re ok to carry in driving.

The other one keeps telling you that the road gets steeper and steeper downhill, and narrower and narrower. And eventually you’ll get to a point where the road is too narrow to go on or for you to turn round.

What do you reckon you’d do? Tell the second one to stop crying like a big baby and just wait and see what happens?

[The Red Baron]

  If it is, they want to bring it back, or lose the streets in London. It's becoming a right dog hole.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-i-d-do-everything-in-my-power-to-cut-stop-and-search-a2924706.html

That worked well...

[hoolahoop]

" you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it "


Is that all this is to you ?
Do you realise what the cost of your little game is ?It's a lot more than oppurtunities to cry like a little baby, what worries me is that you think on that level - I wonder if I will have a chance to cack mi pants too ffs man ?

[Sprotyrover]

" you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it
Is that all this is to you ?
Do you realise what the cost of your little game is ?It's a lot more than oppurtunities to cry like a little baby, what worries me is that you think on that level - I wonder if I will have a chance to cack mi pants too ffs man ?

Hoola, you are a very misguided individual if you think staying in the EEC will help,  NO IT ONLY MAKE MATTERS worse because we will be forced to let in all of the criminals currently terrorising the Italians, Germans,French. Etc haven't you been watching the reports from Italy on the recent election, there are estates that have been taken over by individuals who weren't born in Europe who are uneducated from poverty stricken Nations who don't see much sense in making an honest living doing menial tasks, but who have seen the big bucks in, Drugs,Prostitution,street robbery and other forms of crime

[bpoolrover]

Hoola your blaming killings and knife crime on something that has not even happened yet can you not see a problem with that?

[roversdude]

" you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it
Is that all this is to you ?
Do you realise what the cost of your little game is ?It's a lot more than oppurtunities to cry like a little baby, what worries me is that you think on that level - I wonder if I will have a chance to cack mi pants too ffs man ?

Hoola, you are a very misguided individual if you think staying in the EEC will help,  NO IT ONLY MAKE MATTERS worse because we will be forced to let in all of the criminals currently terrorising the Italians, Germans,French. Etc haven't you been watching the reports from Italy on the recent election, there are estates that have been taken over by individuals who weren't born in Europe who are uneducated from poverty stricken Nations who don't see much sense in making an honest living doing menial tasks, but who have seen the big bucks in, Drugs,Prostitution,street robbery and other forms of crime

[drfchound]

I see on the news this morning that a 78 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a confrontation with two burglars in his house, resulting in one of the criminals dying after being stabbed.
So the bloke in his own house is in trouble for defending it against burglars.

I would wait until more details come out about this before giving an opinion. For example, if the burglar saw someone was in, tried running out and made it to the front door, only to be chased and stabbed in the back, that is not self-defense - that is murder. However, if the old man was defending himself in his bedroom, that is obviously self-defence.

As I understand this now, the burglar who was killed is allegedly a career criminal from a family with history of conning money from old people.
The pensioner whos’ house was being burgled was apparently trying to protect his wife.
It seems that the Burglar was stabbed in a scuffle in the house but broke free and died in the street.
Local residents have said that they have lived in fear of this particular family for years.

[selby]

  I thought this was funny on the Gillingham site.
    "It is always sad  to hear of a workplace fatality, lets hope the risk assessment is filled in correctly"

[hoolahoop]

Hoola your blaming killings and knife crime on something that has not even happened yet can you not see a problem with that?

If the economy suffers then less and less money can be raised to provide Services i.e. Social & Probation Services, Policing, ambulance and fire, NHS etc. Wtf is wrong with some of you - a strong society with good services is only possible with a strong economy ?

That's why everything hinges on Brexit ......it's bloody obvious and time some of you lifted your heads out of the sand and started to face reality. That's why it ( Brexit ) is important in any context because we ALL now know that the UK economy will suffer for decades to come and all the areas we are discussing are already starved of funding. Some of you are detached from reality.
Some STILL believe the dream sold to them of unicorns frolicking in upland meadows and where everything will be ok once we have given the keys for no.10 to the lunatics of the Far Right for decades to come.
Once the crutch of the EU has gone and the real price of leaving all our trading allies behind becomes obvious, then as BST and others have said  - it will be far too late !
This is NOT now about politics - it's about common sense. Look at the economic data, read about the difficulties that just under 5,000,000 people living and working both here and in the EU  will face and all should be obvious whether Brexiter or Remainer. 

[hoolahoop]

  I thought this was funny on the Gillingham site.
    "It is always sad  to hear of a workplace fatality, lets hope the risk assessment is filled in correctly"

Lol we won't have those shortly along with regulations .....chlorinated chicken all the way. Be back later - have some secret trade talks to attend to !

[roversdude]

Nice one Hoola

[hoolahoop]

" you seem obsessed about brexit,why not just wait and see what happens instead of crying like a big baby about it
Is that all this is to you ?
Do you realise what the cost of your little game is ?It's a lot more than oppurtunities to cry like a little baby, what worries me is that you think on that level - I wonder if I will have a chance to cack mi pants too ffs man ?

Hoola, you are a very misguided individual if you think staying in the EEC will help,  NO IT ONLY MAKE MATTERS worse because we will be forced to let in all of the criminals currently terrorising the Italians, Germans,French. Etc haven't you been watching the reports from Italy on the recent election, there are estates that have been taken over by individuals who weren't born in Europe who are uneducated from poverty stricken Nations who don't see much sense in making an honest living doing menial tasks, but who have seen the big bucks in, Drugs,Prostitution,street robbery and other forms of crime

I'm misguided - ffs man I've been reading your posts for months . Your cute one - liners don't cut it anymore and neither do your spurious assertions that being in the EU has caused this . How many of these knife attacks have been carried out by immigrant Africans or Asians  exactly ?

[wilts rover]

All them immigrants over here stabbing people, it wasn't like this when the Kray's were running London's streets....oh hang on...

[hoolahoop]

All them immigrants over here stabbing people, it wasn't like this when the Kray's were running London's streets....oh hang on...

Exactly or the Peaky Blinders.

[Bentley Bullet]

So, because we have British criminals it would be hypocritical to not accept foreign criminals?

[hoolahoop]

So, because we have British criminals it would be hypocritical to not accept foreign criminals?

That's not what he meant BB and you know it and for the record mine was a joke about the Peaky Blinders but we are pretty good with criminal gangs over the years we have had a fair few gangstas that settled on the Costa Del Sol 

Thought you might find this article in The Sunday People dated 30/11/2015 of interest :-

Murder, 21 shootings and a boy’s maiming in Britain’s worst gang war were sparked by a row in an ordinary greasy spoon.
The Sunday People can reveal a violent bust-up that ended in gunfire at a local cafe started a sickening spate of violence that has spiralled out of control.
The escalation in violence has earned Salford, near Manchester, the nickname Gunchester and there are fears the chaos may spread across Europe.

Friends of Massey, 55, believe the man who put out the contract on him has links to drug smuggling gangs and is hiding on Spain’s Costa del Sol.

Does this sort of fit in with what you were thinking  ? See we have been exporting as well as importing them for decades too.