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How often do clubs air all the finer details in public when a manager leaves? Not many at all, it isn't professional for a start. I'm sure some more things will come out in the press over time but at the end of the day football fans are always going to speculate especially when we've no actual football to focus on instead.
Find it puzzling why they haven't come out with something to try and quash the talk of a poor budget, and lack of ambition. Their silence just fuels the fire. Tired of being treated like mushrooms
Andy giddings that released that though wasn’t it?
Quote:’ The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. ‘If the budget is only just better than last year and we finished 15th how can they qualify this?
Looking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit). - The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. - Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available. - Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push.
It doesn’t even have to mean that (they believe) the manager underachieved last season. Conditions are different. Significant portions of last season’s budget were used up on players that played almost no part (such as Andrew and Evina) or were, rightly or wrongly, considered surplus to requirements (Williams). Just because we finished 15th doesn’t mean we need to multiply the budget to get to the top 6, maybe we just need to use it smarter. Football is played on the field, not on the balance sheet.
Quote from: Jonathan on June 05, 2018, 08:16:41 pmLooking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit). - The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. - Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available. - Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push. But the last two haven't been stated/released/been quoted in public unless I've missed them. If they have please direct me.So it remains conjecture, and I'm struggling to really get it into my head that Fergie wasn't aware the budget hasn't dramatically changed at this club in years, and that he broadly knew what it was going to be a long time before, and has all of a sudden found some amazing principles that he wants to live by. I mean, it doesn't make common sense.And in any case, if that is the reason, its not exactly controversial is it and could have been released in a statement.
Quote from: Jonathan on June 05, 2018, 08:43:36 pmIt doesn’t even have to mean that (they believe) the manager underachieved last season. Conditions are different. Significant portions of last season’s budget were used up on players that played almost no part (such as Andrew and Evina) or were, rightly or wrongly, considered surplus to requirements (Williams). Just because we finished 15th doesn’t mean we need to multiply the budget to get to the top 6, maybe we just need to use it smarter. Football is played on the field, not on the balance sheet. Unless I’m reading this wrong I think you’re contradicting yourself there - surely if the board are thinking the budget needs to be used smarter then they would believe that less smart use of the budget is underachievement?
Again, Roversalias, where are you getting this from? I repeat, its not been stated anywhere unless you know something different? It's a narrative created on here.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on June 05, 2018, 08:45:15 pmQuote from: Jonathan on June 05, 2018, 08:16:41 pmLooking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit). - The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. - Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available. - Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push. But the last two haven't been stated/released/been quoted in public unless I've missed them. If they have please direct me.So it remains conjecture, and I'm struggling to really get it into my head that Fergie wasn't aware the budget hasn't dramatically changed at this club in years, and that he broadly knew what it was going to be a long time before, and has all of a sudden found some amazing principles that he wants to live by. I mean, it doesn't make common sense.And in any case, if that is the reason, its not exactly controversial is it and could have been released in a statement.Why does he have to have found principles? It doesn’t mean he’s walked for the good of the club. I genuinely believe he’s gone because he doesn’t believe the resources are there to deliver what he wants, so will go somewhere that he believes matches his ambitions. The unrest in that sense was clear. I would direct you to the interview he gave stating that he doesn’t want to be a league one manager. But you can find it yourself.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on June 05, 2018, 08:50:04 pmAgain, Roversalias, where are you getting this from? I repeat, its not been stated anywhere unless you know something different? It's a narrative created on here.Getting what from? I'm not stating any facts, I'm saying that if the mooted situation is that Fergie quit based on the budget then I don't see how that had anything to do with his "principles", as you stated and as a few others have said.There's no morality in deciding that the board are wrong about what constitutes a good budget.