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About what the chuff is going on at the club? All I've been reading on here are either rumours or criptic message s from Martin. All of which leaves me with less and less trust and belief in those running the club having any ambition.Don't get me wrong, I was not one of DFs greatest fans, in regards his tactics or his signings with probably 1 out of 3 proving to be successful. I not the greatest fan of those running the club either with ambition just being a code word for surviving/ getting by etc.That said, he found a formula to keep us in the league and he'sposedly made great strides in improving things behind the scenes (what ever that means).I think he felt limited in how far he can get with kids with potential and wanted to bring in some with proven quality. That would make sense to me.It costs money to do this and needs ambition to match it as well. With fergy going it tells me two things.1) the board's budget did not meet fergys ambition and the understanding that you can't get success at a club when trying to run it as a business. You will go backwards as other clubs do invest and compete with those at the top of the table. Shrewsbury had a good season but will they do it again this season.............. unlikely without investment in their squad.2) the board are not that ambitious, and only see a very steady growth to the championship, if at all, rather than trying to go for it to at least try and get to the play offs and to boost season ticket sales for example.All in all I'm a genuinely disappointed and disheartened rovers fan
It boils down to Fergie thinking the boards expectations with the tools he was being given weren’t realistic. Simple as that. Fergie looked at the wage bill of the three sides promoted last season and knew we were nowhere near that level.
Quote from: godlike1 on June 06, 2018, 07:01:18 amAbout what the chuff is going on at the club? All I've been reading on here are either rumours or criptic message s from Martin. All of which leaves me with less and less trust and belief in those running the club having any ambition.Don't get me wrong, I was not one of DFs greatest fans, in regards his tactics or his signings with probably 1 out of 3 proving to be successful. I not the greatest fan of those running the club either with ambition just being a code word for surviving/ getting by etc.That said, he found a formula to keep us in the league and he'sposedly made great strides in improving things behind the scenes (what ever that means).I think he felt limited in how far he can get with kids with potential and wanted to bring in some with proven quality. That would make sense to me.It costs money to do this and needs ambition to match it as well. With fergy going it tells me two things.1) the board's budget did not meet fergys ambition and the understanding that you can't get success at a club when trying to run it as a business. You will go backwards as other clubs do invest and compete with those at the top of the table. Shrewsbury had a good season but will they do it again this season.............. unlikely without investment in their squad.2) the board are not that ambitious, and only see a very steady growth to the championship, if at all, rather than trying to go for it to at least try and get to the play offs and to boost season ticket sales for example.All in all I'm a genuinely disappointed and disheartened rovers fanPossibly the best post of this sorry saga. Sums up my feelings entirely It's a shame being open is something the board refuse to do, as for honesty, we don't know! They've said f**k all ! As usual .
The no ambition line gets peddled out all the time, mostly by those that struggle to interact with their single brain cell. When challenged they usually come out with how they want to spend other peoples money, they are usually the ones looking for a free ticket or reduced price ticket for games rather than go to the ticket office and buy one, they don't want to spend their own money, but are keen to spend other peoples money
I don't think we have no ambition. I'm just a bit worried that the ambitions of the manager didn't match up with the club, so much so he felt he had to walk. Of course, there may well have been other reasons why he walked. But this is what his statement interprets so that is all I can go off. I'm hoping my worries go away when we hire our new manager, I feel this can really show our ambitions as a club.
Quote from: DannyRovers on June 06, 2018, 09:18:32 amI don't think we have no ambition. I'm just a bit worried that the ambitions of the manager didn't match up with the club, so much so he felt he had to walk. Of course, there may well have been other reasons why he walked. But this is what his statement interprets so that is all I can go off. I'm hoping my worries go away when we hire our new manager, I feel this can really show our ambitions as a club.Danny, you then have to consider who is running the club? Is it DF? And how much money do you throw at somebody who can't hit par with what he has?
godlike,I take exception to the remark that I've peddled rumours or cryptic messages on this message board. When the news broke I spoke to the club immediately and then reported back on here to keep you informed. How can that be a rumour? Several chose not to believe what I wrote and others, one in particular, chose to infer that I'd said something completely different. For that reason I now hesitate to put more information into the public arena.As for your definition of ambition = surviving/getting by I'm sure that any member of the board who is currently funding the club, your club, to the tune of £20m in recent years, would be annoyed and questioning why they do these things.If you feel that having a top 8 budget in Lg1 last season, and an end of season result that saw the club finish 16th as we did, and that your consideration was that wasn't good enough then join the club!
I am sick and tired of reading 'the board have no ambition'Where are all the big money men queing up to put millions into our club. Apart from JR's failed attempt (due to lack of funds) all we've had is what turned out to be a dodgy hedge fund wanting to buy us.Where would we have been then?.Under the current board at least we are stable and with the right management and a bit of luck still have a chance to make the Championship without the worry that our club will go in to financial meltdown if we don't succeed. If someone had said that we were in a position to at least challenge for the Championship in my first 25 years of following the Rovers, I would have snatched their hands off. The board are still putting in millions every season to just to keep us where we are as gate receipts do not cover the costs.Until a real money man with the clubs best interests at heart comes in why don't people stop slagging them off be thankful for what we have, without them we would be in the mire.At least with the current board we still have a club. Some people forget the Richardson days and what a bad board/owner can do to a club.
What exactly is wrong with "steady growth to the Championship?" If someone told me we'd be playing in the Championship in five years' time I'd take that. I suspect we have all got a bit too used to the idea of "boom and bust."
Quote from: Boomstick on June 06, 2018, 07:29:58 amQuote from: godlike1 on June 06, 2018, 07:01:18 amAbout what the chuff is going on at the club? All I've been reading on here are either rumours or criptic message s from Martin. All of which leaves me with less and less trust and belief in those running the club having any ambition.Don't get me wrong, I was not one of DFs greatest fans, in regards his tactics or his signings with probably 1 out of 3 proving to be successful. I not the greatest fan of those running the club either with ambition just being a code word for surviving/ getting by etc.That said, he found a formula to keep us in the league and he'sposedly made great strides in improving things behind the scenes (what ever that means).I think he felt limited in how far he can get with kids with potential and wanted to bring in some with proven quality. That would make sense to me.It costs money to do this and needs ambition to match it as well. With fergy going it tells me two things.1) the board's budget did not meet fergys ambition and the understanding that you can't get success at a club when trying to run it as a business. You will go backwards as other clubs do invest and compete with those at the top of the table. Shrewsbury had a good season but will they do it again this season.............. unlikely without investment in their squad.2) the board are not that ambitious, and only see a very steady growth to the championship, if at all, rather than trying to go for it to at least try and get to the play offs and to boost season ticket sales for example.All in all I'm a genuinely disappointed and disheartened rovers fanPossibly the best post of this sorry saga. Sums up my feelings entirely It's a shame being open is something the board refuse to do, as for honesty, we don't know! They've said f**k all ! As usual . I really hate this about our fans sometimes. Why do some people think the club have to tell us everything about it’s internal matters!? From the playing budget figures (yes, some people have asked this) to the exact reason a manager had walked away. Now the dust has settled, it’s obvious that there’s far more at play than what Ferguson has said. Obviously he was going to get his statement out there first. The club might choose to respond when they feel the time is right.They have said we are getting a new manager, haven’t they? Isn’t that enough for now?
I suspect we have all got a bit too used to the idea of "boom and bust."
Quote from: STABNASTY on June 06, 2018, 08:22:40 amI am sick and tired of reading 'the board have no ambition'Where are all the big money men queing up to put millions into our club. Apart from JR's failed attempt (due to lack of funds) all we've had is what turned out to be a dodgy hedge fund wanting to buy us.Where would we have been then?.Under the current board at least we are stable and with the right management and a bit of luck still have a chance to make the Championship without the worry that our club will go in to financial meltdown if we don't succeed. If someone had said that we were in a position to at least challenge for the Championship in my first 25 years of following the Rovers, I would have snatched their hands off. The board are still putting in millions every season to just to keep us where we are as gate receipts do not cover the costs.Until a real money man with the clubs best interests at heart comes in why don't people stop slagging them off be thankful for what we have, without them we would be in the mire.At least with the current board we still have a club. Some people forget the Richardson days and what a bad board/owner can do to a club.Quote from: silent majority on June 06, 2018, 09:20:15 amgodlike,I take exception to the remark that I've peddled rumours or cryptic messages on this message board. When the news broke I spoke to the club immediately and then reported back on here to keep you informed. How can that be a rumour? Several chose not to believe what I wrote and others, one in particular, chose to infer that I'd said something completely different. For that reason I now hesitate to put more information into the public arena.As for your definition of ambition = surviving/getting by I'm sure that any member of the board who is currently funding the club, your club, to the tune of £20m in recent years, would be annoyed and questioning why they do these things.If you feel that having a top 8 budget in Lg1 last season, and an end of season result that saw the club finish 16th as we did, and that your consideration was that wasn't good enough then join the club! Martin Fine the rumours but was meant to be in relation to others who claim to know what’s going on.I’ve not seen anything from you that has given a clear explanation of what is going on. There are just lots of little responses to others messages or comments. As a supporters club lead with DRFC that is all I ask, or at least to be clearer in what you can tell us. It is annoying that anyone in this forum who has an opinion is attacked for viewing it if it goes against the norm or the club.I love the club as much as the next man and have more than earned the right to have a view and opinion.If you’ve ever read articles from TB about his involvement in the club all he says he wants to have a sustainable club so he can pay back the town for their support as he grew his business.Fair play to him for that and DW (RIP) and now his son. I will never be able to thank them enough for what they do and how they try to do it e.g. through club doncaster.That said, you can not achieve sustainability in the football world without Constantly moving and investing in the squad. They have quite rightly looked to the long term in buying play for the future etc, but you also need quality players in the mix with some experience as well. They cost money, they also attract notice from the local public who will want to see these players in action and sense the desire to progress as well as more season ticket sales. These players cost money and clearly the budget offered by the board isn’t considered enough compared to the top three who went up by DF. Who’s right I don’t know but DFs ambition at the moment outstrips the clubs.I don’t really care now if your or others (filo etc) do or don’t agree with what I say but one thing is for certain and that is there are a lot more of me than not with this view and as such the club have a big problem and task to go ahead and convince us all otherwise
Quote from: The Red Baron on June 06, 2018, 07:06:24 amI suspect we have all got a bit too used to the idea of "boom and bust."Reminds me of my sexual experiences!!
Quote from: GazLaz on June 06, 2018, 07:04:42 amIt boils down to Fergie thinking the boards expectations with the tools he was being given weren’t realistic. Simple as that. Fergie looked at the wage bill of the three sides promoted last season and knew we were nowhere near that level. So Ferguson, being an honest and upright fella, decides to do the really magnanimous thing and resign because the board don’t give him the funds he thinks he needs to build a Championship side. He doesn’t take his pay, he is bigger than that he walks away without a penny? Pull The bleeding other one. 🤔How about he gets the gist he may not last much longer and he has been rumbled by the board and a fair few fans that he is not the messiah just like at Peterborough and just like at Preston. He gets wind his P45 is on the horizon. Oh no not again he thinks that would be another sacking on my CV and that won’t look good. However if I pull the plug first, overnight that would make me look good and Doncaster Rovers look bad.Just my opinion of course! 🙄