Facebook Fined .....Referendum result tainted ?

[bpoolrover]

Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it

[Glyn_Wigley]

Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it

Using FB isn't the issue. Using it illegally is.

[MachoMadness]

Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it

As far I know Momentum aren't funded by foreign money and offshore millionaires and they haven't used illegally harvested data to target people.

There's a difference between posting usual political spin/b*llocks and breaking the law to buy a vote so you can line your own pockets. Surely you have to see that.

[RedJ]

This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.

[hoolahoop]

Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it

I can't believe you have written that as an answer to the post that BST composed specifically for you

ADMIT IT .............YOU WERE PLAYED

[MachoMadness]

Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.

[albie]

Interesting piece in Open Democracy from Adam Ramsay on the fines and wrist slapping fandango;

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/laws-protecting-britains-democracy-from-big-money-are-broken

Lets see if the police decide to take matters further.

As Ramsay points out (near the end), the referendum was a non binding advisory only, and so is not covered by election law, such as it is.

Very convenient for those who chose to play the system!

[hoolahoop]

Interesting piece in Open Democracy from Adam Ramsay on the fines and wrist slapping fandango;

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/laws-protecting-britains-democracy-from-big-money-are-broken

Lets see if the police decide to take matters further.

As Ramsay points out (near the end), the referendum was a non binding advisory only, and so is not covered by election law, such as it is.

Very convenient for those who chose to play the system!

Perhaps not worth discussing these matters anymore - I've given up on our democracy altogether and our sense of decency .
Im thoroughly disgusted by the deliberate way we are just lighting a bonfire under the bloody lot of it .

[hoolahoop]

See this work has now been sent to Parliament - have a scroll through the lies lads one after the other on page 71 main thread 

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[RedJ]

What’s baffling is I have not a clue what your on about? Who is taking money off who? All I said what that the tories will not privatise the nhs, little bits might go to private companies but as a whole they won’t do that. What’s that got to do with people taking money off people?

Why even bring that up in the first place? It's nowt to do with this thread for starters, you only brought it up as a counterpoint to the Brexit campaign even though the two situations can't be compared at all. It's just deflection and evasion so you don't have to face the real issue. Not even getting into your arguments that the Tories aren't privatising the NHS, they're just selling bits of it off. That way madness lies.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/05/virgin-awarded-almost-2bn-of-nhs-contracts-in-the-past-five-years

f**king lot of money to a private company for something that isn't privatisation.

[bpoolrover]

Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.

as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.

as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?

Why won't you answer the question asked of you, instead of dreaming up another one as deflection?

No doubt this question will be deflected too!

[bpoolrover]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

[DonnyOsmond]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

Like after WW2 or after the worldwide recession? Yeah, shit labour.

[hoolahoop]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

A) Don't you care about anyone else's jobs in your community ?
B) Do you realise that we have the highest % of the nation working in either Part - time or Unspecified hours since 1929 ?
C) We now have a higher % of the population in Further Education ( building up massive levels of debt ) ever , which completely skew the overall % " in work " statistics. Do you necessarily ,,think this is a good thing ?
D) We have a massive % of the population both non- working and WORKING surviving on food banks to merely get by from week to week. Is this a good thing ?

Need  I go on , these statistics are nothing to brag about . Austerity is hurting, how do you think that the loss of yet more poorly-  paid jobs will help  sustain the services of your local community ?
How do you think that piling yet  more sand  i.e. Brexit on an economy already built on sand will help your community prosper whether Glyn chooses to vote Labour or not ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

Yes, because unemployment goes up under the Tories as well. I remember it doubling in two years under Thatcher - has that ever happened under Labour?

[bpoolrover]

Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less

[bpoolrover]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

A) Don't you care about anyone else's jobs in your community ?
B) Do you realise that we have the highest % of the nation working in either Part - time or Unspecified hours since 1929 ?
C) We now have a higher % of the population in Further Education ( building up massive levels of debt ) ever , which completely skew the overall % " in work " statistics. Do you necessarily ,,think this is a good thing ?
D) We have a massive % of the population both non- working and WORKING surviving on food banks to merely get by from week to week. Is this a good thing ?

Need  I go on , these statistics are nothing to brag about . Austerity is hurting, how do you think that the loss of yet more poorly-  paid jobs will help  sustain the services of your local community ?
How do you think that piling yet  more sand  i.e. Brexit on an economy already built on sand will help your community prosper whether Glyn chooses to vote Labour or not ?

do you care about the millions that voted to leave the eu hoola? A lot of the poorly paid people choose to work part time as you get top ups with working tax credits(which is fine I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that) is it
Not best people be in work in some degree hoola? There are many many people who like the fact that the don't have specific hours yes there
Are also ones that don't, it's always going to be the case where you can't please everyone unfortunately

[bpoolrover]

I know many people that survive on food banks, the vast majority and around this area it is are the same people you see everyday with cans of beer or in the pub, of course there are genuine ones but no where near the amount some people say they have just become more accessible, at the same time this day an de age it's sad and probably avoidable
That anyone should have to use a food bank and the government need to sort it

[MachoMadness]

Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.

as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?

I do know that unemployment is low at the minute. I also know that "employment" doesn't mean the same thing as "earning enough money to keep food on the table". As Hoola said, at the minute you're classed as employed if you're on a zero hours contract working a couple of hours a month, if you're on a back to work programme, or if you're on some jobcentre training course or work experience programme. In real practical terms we aren't seeing a drop in unemployment at all, we've simply changed what it means to be unemployed.

[bpoolrover]

That's bending the truth at very best, there are between 800k and 1.4 million on zero hour contracts and nearly 70 percent of them are happy with that and the average person on a zero hour contract works at least 26 hours a week, so is that classed as working? If you only work 2 hours a month lol you will get your full entitlement of benefits,so there would be nothing different if labour were in power would there?

[bpoolrover]

If your on working family tax with 4 children, 1 person is working 40 hours a week on 9 pound a hour you earn 360 a week, on top of that you get 200poind tax credits a week, if you rent a property at 650 a month you get 400 pound a month housing benefit plus once a month you get 200 odd pound child benefit, most people could live off that, your council tax is also reduced from 1600 pound a year to 750 a year

[RedJ]

Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less

Accusing him of deflecting the question when he pulls you up on... uh, deflecting the question. Couldn't make this shit up hahaha. I notice you ignored my link too.

[bpoolrover]

I answered his question lol

[bpoolrover]

And I've not seen you post anything

[bpoolrover]

This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.

you do know it was labour that started privatising the NHS under tony Blair

[bpoolrover]

http://commentcentral.co.uk/labour-are-the-real-nhs-privatisers/                                               

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/01/labour-cant-escape-its-blairite-past-nhs-so-it-should-stop-crying-privatisation?amp
https://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-what-andy-burnham-didnt-tell-you-about-nhs-privatisation-42072.html

[RedJ]

This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.

you do know it was labour that started privatising the NHS under tony Blair

I think you'll find I never disputed that. You were the one denying that the Tories were also privatising.

[bpoolrover]

Ok mate

[MachoMadness]

That's bending the truth at very best, there are between 800k and 1.4 million on zero hour contracts and nearly 70 percent of them are happy with that and the average person on a zero hour contract works at least 26 hours a week, so is that classed as working? If you only work 2 hours a month lol you will get your full entitlement of benefits,so there would be nothing different if labour were in power would there?

Yeah, you'll still get your benefits, the problem is that you're still classed as "employed" and therefore not part of these unemployment stats. It's not me that's bending the truth! Volunteer work, work experience, unpaid apprenticeships and training courses... all this counts as gainful employment. It isn't. Which is why even with these amazing unemployment figures we still have record numbers of people at food banks. We've had 8 years of Tory government now. Time to stop bleating about Labour.