What it must be like to be rich and have choices?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wages are an interesting subject. Surely you have to pay people well to do jobs that others cannot do? Hence there will always be a gap?  If the minimum goes up then it follows others will and then inflation etc with it?

BFYP.

Yes, of course. The point is that there must be brakes on how much the very richest take.

The fact that their takes has grown uncontrolled for 40 years is the basic reason why we have such poverty at the bottom end.

We CAN change this. Just needs the will.

[Herbert Anchovy]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

[Sprotyrover]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.

[i_ateallthepies]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.

Bit of Boris Johnsonery going on there.

[Sprotyrover]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.

Bit of Boris Johnsonery going on there.

Not really when I left school at 16 I had 8 weeks to wait for my proper job to start so My step dad who was working in London got me 5 weeks work putting a new concrete floor into a cold store in Leytonstone, the Company paid our fare down there and full board in a B& B on Romford Road, and I cleared £50 a week when I Started my proper job I was on £18.50 a week take home. I recall my school chums who went down Pit took home £48 once they had done 8 week training.but. I had made my Dad a promises never to work down Pit.

[Draytonian III]

I’m one those people on £8:21 an hour, I do have a part time job as well but only 3 hours a week, but by choice I don’t drive, have no children ( that I know of ) and I’m very proud of my working class roots , but I will never vote labour again, I did in the 80’s. When Tony Blair got in he sold the country down the river just like David Cameron did as well, everyone who takes political office be it as an MP or just local or parish council is in it for their on good,fact