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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 17, 2018, 03:46:11 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 02:46:28 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 17, 2018, 02:12:03 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 12:17:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on December 17, 2018, 09:19:12 amThat literally is democracy though...?Like keep voting until we get the 'right' result? This is 1984.We got the right result at the 2017 General Election, didn't we? You know, the vote we had after the referendum?But a general election is every five years at least. How many referendums will we be having?Doesn't matter. Each electiop supercedes the previous one, regardless of the length of time between them. That makes the 2017 election more relevant than any before it.So if there was another referendum and remain won by 51% to 49% what would that tell us and where would we go from there?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 02:46:28 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 17, 2018, 02:12:03 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 12:17:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on December 17, 2018, 09:19:12 amThat literally is democracy though...?Like keep voting until we get the 'right' result? This is 1984.We got the right result at the 2017 General Election, didn't we? You know, the vote we had after the referendum?But a general election is every five years at least. How many referendums will we be having?Doesn't matter. Each electiop supercedes the previous one, regardless of the length of time between them. That makes the 2017 election more relevant than any before it.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 17, 2018, 02:12:03 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 12:17:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on December 17, 2018, 09:19:12 amThat literally is democracy though...?Like keep voting until we get the 'right' result? This is 1984.We got the right result at the 2017 General Election, didn't we? You know, the vote we had after the referendum?But a general election is every five years at least. How many referendums will we be having?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 17, 2018, 12:17:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on December 17, 2018, 09:19:12 amThat literally is democracy though...?Like keep voting until we get the 'right' result? This is 1984.We got the right result at the 2017 General Election, didn't we? You know, the vote we had after the referendum?
Quote from: MachoMadness on December 17, 2018, 09:19:12 amThat literally is democracy though...?Like keep voting until we get the 'right' result? This is 1984.
That literally is democracy though...?
Thing is, next referendum can actually offer a clear view of what a leave vote will mean.. Andy if that means a bigger leave majority so be it..
If there was a second vote, what can the remain side bring to the table that they have not already used. The leave side will start their own project fear about remaining now we have lost credibility and influence in Brussels. They will project us as a laughing stock to the rest of Europe, Europe will make us join the euro as punishment and a condition of staying in, we will have to accept a european army air force etc. centralised taxes. If a quick new referendum is possible then yes I can see a remain vote, the longer the period for the vote to take place the more chance of the same result of an out vote is possible, the argument is all one way at the moment, that would change dramatically before another referendum.
Just a thought........as this Brexit situation is the most important thing for us in donkeys years, wouldn’t it be good if the best brains from all parties got their heads together and sorted out what is really best for the uk and its people.They could go back to trying to put each other down and score points off each other once Brexit, or remain, had been sorted out so the best interests of us all had been dealt with.Now that would show the EU people that we really mean business and we wouldn’t be seen to be a laughing stock.
In addition to that Sydney the UK have actually asked to be part of a new European Intervention Initiative as the government fears our security will be weaker after Brexit.https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/nine-european-countries-to-formalise-eu-defence-force-plan/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/25/nine-eu-states-to-sign-off-on-joint-military-intervention-force[/quote:Wilts, the weird thing about brexit that is either not understood or ignored is that we cannot as a nation live in isolation to Europe, most of what the brexit tribe are clamouring against will be re-negotiated with other countries over time therefore nullifying most of what they now want (or don't want) There will be some trade negotiations with countries outside the EU that will favour us but the majority cannot replace what we already have, and nothing will make up for the loss to the economy experienced to this point and to when, if ever Britain regains some sort of balance and trade deals with the rest of the world, that boat has sailed, 10 or more years of a reduced economy.Having joint forces across Europe make economic sense as well as political sense.
Quote from: drfchound on December 17, 2018, 10:02:06 pmJust a thought........as this Brexit situation is the most important thing for us in donkeys years, wouldn’t it be good if the best brains from all parties got their heads together and sorted out what is really best for the uk and its people.They could go back to trying to put each other down and score points off each other once Brexit, or remain, had been sorted out so the best interests of us all had been dealt with.Now that would show the EU people that we really mean business and we wouldn’t be seen to be a laughing stock.That's fine Hound, but I'm not sure who would be the best brains the Tory party could offer. The Cabinet has been party to two years of negotiations that led to a deal that no one wants. The ERG have repeatedly belittled any analysis that independent experts have put out, claimed that there are magic fairy dust solutions to the NI border issues and said that cutting deals with Kenya and Oklahoma will be the way forward after we make it harder for us to do business with half a billion of the richest people on earth on our doorstep.The basic problem is that both party leaders and their advisers are using the issue as a stick with which to defeat the other side. There ARE sensible heads on both sides (Grieve is one on the Tory side who has consistently talked sense and also tried to raise the issue of Russian interference in the ballot, that both main party leaders refuse to discuss). But they are marginalised figures within their own parties with no power to influence the debate significantly. We are dreadfully lacking statesmen. We have a generation of 3rd rate political pygmies in charge.
Just a thought........as this Brexit situation is the most important thing for us in donkeys years, wouldn’t it be good if the best brains from all parties got their heads together and sorted out what is really best for the uk and its people.
HoundYes. But they are not in positions of power. So they can't substantively influence things.
Hound.WHO should? The leaders on both sides have no vision.The clear-sighted ones on both sides have no power.
3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?
Leave won by 2% and now we're heading for the most hardest of Brexits but Theresa doesn't want to divide the country anymore....
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 05:41:50 pmLeave won by 2% and now we're heading for the most hardest of Brexits but Theresa doesn't want to divide the country anymore....Leave won by 3.8%