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I'll repeat . The question was remain or leave NOT remain or deal. If parliament can't agree on a deal, then we leave without one . It's that simple
It's not an argument, it's just the way it is. If parliament can't agree on a deal, then we leave without one. It's the default position we are in. The current shit show is just parliament trying to agree on a deal. It's deal or no deal, It isn't deal, 2nd referendum, or remain
Can someone explain why quite a big number of our MP’s are happy for us to leave with no deal it it is going to be so catastrophic.BST says, it WILL be a disaster if it happens according to some experts but there appears to be other people who say it won’t be.How do we know who to believe and if it is to be a disaster for the Nation why are some MP’s happy for us to leave like that.
You see, I said that you don’t know who to believe.Now BST says it is a few dozen Tory MPs who are saying it and Wilts is saying it isn’t what the MPs have said.Two forum experts telling me different things.
Further to my post above, that I should have made clearer, Brexit will either be good or have no effect on the 2nd group of I people I describe, international financiers, hedge fund managers, importers, billionaires etc. Funnily enough several of the main Brexit supporting MP's, Rees Mogg, Redwood etc are connected with international finance so that gives them reason to support it.I have yet to hear from any Brexit supporting MP on how it will benefit British manufacturing and farming? I hear plenty saying why it will be bad but dont remember any saying how it will benefit?The only two major 'British' manufacturers I know off who have said Brexit will be good are Dyson (who manufactures his washing machines and hoovers in Singapore so will benefit from scrapping import duties - and has been in dispute with the EU) and JCB - who were fined £22million by the EU for breaking competition rules.
Ok but if MPs are elected to represent their constituents why would they support no deal at any cost to them.Surely it would end their careers when it was seen how they had supported something so catastrophic.After all, post Brexit life has to go on.
Quote from: drfchound on January 21, 2019, 10:03:52 pmOk but if MPs are elected to represent their constituents why would they support no deal at any cost to them.Surely it would end their careers when it was seen how they had supported something so catastrophic.After all, post Brexit life has to go on.It depends what you mean represent their constituents. Do you think an MP should be their constituents puppet or their agent? A lot of Brexiters bang on with a ridiculous theory about how an MP should vote in Parliament according to how their constituency voted in the referendum.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 21, 2019, 10:07:24 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 21, 2019, 10:03:52 pmOk but if MPs are elected to represent their constituents why would they support no deal at any cost to them.Surely it would end their careers when it was seen how they had supported something so catastrophic.After all, post Brexit life has to go on.It depends what you mean represent their constituents. Do you think an MP should be their constituents puppet or their agent? A lot of Brexiters bang on with a ridiculous theory about how an MP should vote in Parliament according to how their constituency voted in the referendum.There will be leavers and remainers in all areas, whatever way the final vote ended up.There will be businesses which will suffer in all areas too if BST Is right with his assumptions.Any MP who is responsible for bringing deprivation to his constituency by supporting a no deal Brexit (and therefore the reason for businesses closing down or leaving the country) would never get re elected.