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It's a refreshing change to hear any reasoned arguments from the leave camp Pancho
Not sure if this has been commented on...?https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1179164/eu-news-western-balkans-expansion-austria-albania-north-macedonia-brigitte-bierlein I know that Daniel Kawczynski is a eurosceptic, but he makes the point...."Countries like Poland and Hungary have a shock coming when the UK leaves because that will cut the EU's budget by 20 percent. "They could find themselves paying for Kosovo, Moldova and even Ukraine and the boot will be on the other foot."Fair argument or one-sided opinion?
The UK's net contribution is about £20 per person in the EU.I think they'll cope...
Yes I agree but all those are minuscule in comparison to all the reasons for not leaving
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 19, 2019, 06:21:31 pmThe UK's net contribution is about £20 per person in the EU.I think they'll cope...Perhaps. However one of the only other net contributors, Denmark, has already firmly set its stall out and is refusing to increase its contribution. I’m sure they’ll cope...but it’s going to be messy.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 19, 2019, 06:36:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 19, 2019, 06:21:31 pmThe UK's net contribution is about £20 per person in the EU.I think they'll cope...Perhaps. However one of the only other net contributors, Denmark, has already firmly set its stall out and is refusing to increase its contribution. I’m sure they’ll cope...but it’s going to be messy. HAThe point is that we have consistently overestimated our own importance in this process. We were assured that we held all the cards in negotiations with the EU. We didn't. We held zero cards.We are told that the EU finances would fall apart without our enormous contribution. It won't.
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 19, 2019, 03:10:19 pmYes I agree but all those are minuscule in comparison to all the reasons for not leavingSydneyAs a genuine and unloaded question on my part, what would you say are the 5 primary advantages to the UK remaining in the EU that would be impossible for us to introduce as non members?
HAThere's one that I've made time and again which trumps every other argument.Europe (us included) has a dreadful record of conflict and tyrrany. No EU countries have ever started a war or been invaded or had a civil war whilst a member of the EU.No EU country has ever had any form of Govt other than democracy whilst a member of the EU.We just take that for granted, but it is a highly, highly unusual situation by historical standards.