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Filo

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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #1 on December 12, 2018, 11:51:45 pm by Filo »
Would that figure be the whole of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough, if so its a little unfair as parts of the Borough are closer to other Football clubs than Doncaster

WheatleyRover

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« Reply #2 on December 13, 2018, 12:03:35 am by WheatleyRover »
Yes the 302,000 figure is the whole Borough, according to this site below the core population of Doncaster is 114,900

https://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-england-yorkshireandthehumber.php?cityid=E35001159

podrover73

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« Reply #3 on December 13, 2018, 12:13:41 am by podrover73 »
And in other fake news

Bristol Red Rover

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« Reply #4 on December 13, 2018, 12:18:04 am by Bristol Red Rover »
Not too fair on Bristol Rovers either.

DonnyOsmond

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« Reply #5 on December 13, 2018, 07:06:20 am by DonnyOsmond »
Yes the 302,000 figure is the whole Borough, according to this site below the core population of Doncaster is 114,900

https://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-england-yorkshireandthehumber.php?cityid=E35001159

Which doesn't include a lot of villages like Rossington, Adwick, Finningley, etc. All Doncaster villages who should be included. You've also got bassetlaw that you could potentially add in which puts it even further.

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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #6 on December 13, 2018, 08:03:54 am by Campsall rover »
Would that figure be the whole of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough, if so its a little unfair as parts of the Borough are closer to other Football clubs than Doncaster
FILO which parts of DMBC is nearer other League football clubs? The nearest is the Conisborough area to Rotherham but still nearer to Doncaster.
The fact is we do have a poor fan base based on our population. As discussed on many occasions here this is historical. During Rovers fall from the 2nd division to 4th Division in the early 60’s we lost huge numbers to Leeds United and Sheffield Wed.

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« Reply #7 on December 13, 2018, 08:16:19 am by dickos1 »
Places such as moorends and Thorne will be closer to Scunthorpe but their gates are a lot worse than ours, so they ain’t going there

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« Reply #8 on December 13, 2018, 08:44:40 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
Yes, those figures are a nonsense. Some, more isolated clubs have access to a larger population than they are quoting!

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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #9 on December 13, 2018, 08:54:54 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Would that figure be the whole of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough, if so its a little unfair as parts of the Borough are closer to other Football clubs than Doncaster
FILO which parts of DMBC is nearer other League football clubs? The nearest is the Conisborough area to Rotherham but still nearer to Doncaster.
The fact is we do have a poor fan base based on our population. As discussed on many occasions here this is historical. During Rovers fall from the 2nd division to 4th Division in the early 60’s we lost huge numbers to Leeds United and Sheffield Wed.

But it's not just about closeness is it?  How long is a trip to Leeds from Campsall vs a trip to the Keepmoat - not that much in it.  Let's be honest it is all about success, most of those going to other places did so for the "big club" top level mantra, pretending anything else is a lie.  If DRFC want to get huge crowds it could, but would only do so at the very top level.  Say we got to the Prem (I hope we don't actually) we'd take off much more than a lot of clubs.

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« Reply #10 on December 13, 2018, 09:17:55 am by Donnywolf »
Places such as moorends and Thorne will be closer to Scunthorpe but their gates are a lot worse than ours, so they ain’t going there

True - I live on the closest edge of Thorne to Scunnys Ground and it is 12.6 to there and 14.4 Miles to Keepmoat but even at the furthest edge (say Thorne Golf Club) it is still marginally closer (3 or 400 yards) to Scunny's Ground than to ours

And I have lived in Thorne since 1974 but started working there in 1969 and still I can only ever recall one Scunny Fan who flew a flag in Kirton Lane for a few years. Think he was their Scout - so you are right - Thorne is NOT a catchment area for them

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« Reply #11 on December 13, 2018, 10:06:10 am by CantleyRed »
When we take Goldthorpe from Wednesday and Barnsley we will have arrived!

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« Reply #12 on December 13, 2018, 10:31:21 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
There are a few Goldthorpe lads that come but, they are in a minority. The shift takes generations and it would have to be a sustained period of success, that is knocking on the door of the Premiership from Championship and at least a season in the Premiership to see a shift from those places.

A starting point however is to get more of our own fans to the Keepmoat more often. If only another 10 to 15% turned up, we'd be very happy. Breaking 10k for every home game can be done without sucking fans in from other areas. We've been there already!

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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #13 on December 13, 2018, 10:35:18 am by Colemans Left Hook »
Yes, those figures are a nonsense. Some, more isolated clubs have access to a larger population than they are quoting!

we all knew Ipswich were going to put in a "determined" effort to get out of their division this season i used the phrase "challenging for relegation"  (at least redj hasn't said a nuclear war will take place before they are relegated like he did about Oldham :chair:)
 but it would be interesting (for anyone bored out of their mind) to see the figures when they are in League 1.




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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #14 on December 13, 2018, 10:56:36 am by CantleyRed »
It always amuses me that, throughout history, our break-even attendance figure has always been about 30%  higher than we are getting. Be it 3,000 in the 70s 5,000 in the 80s or 8,000 now!

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« Reply #15 on December 13, 2018, 12:47:19 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
A 30% improvement on what we have now is 10,091 to be precise, which isn't going to happen at League 1 level for us in the near future. Getting that at lower level Championship would be an achievement.

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« Reply #16 on December 13, 2018, 12:55:16 pm by Bessie Red »
It shows only Plymouths population to work out their position however football fans living in Cornwall nearly exclusively support Argyle. This article has no creedance whatsoever!!

Filo

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« Reply #17 on December 13, 2018, 12:56:53 pm by Filo »
Places such as moorends and Thorne will be closer to Scunthorpe but their gates are a lot worse than ours, so they ain’t going there

True - I live on the closest edge of Thorne to Scunnys Ground and it is 12.6 to there and 14.4 Miles to Keepmoat but even at the furthest edge (say Thorne Golf Club) it is still marginally closer (3 or 400 yards) to Scunny's Ground than to ours

And I have lived in Thorne since 1974 but started working there in 1969 and still I can only ever recall one Scunny Fan who flew a flag in Kirton Lane for a few years. Think he was their Scout - so you are right - Thorne is NOT a catchment area for them

That bloke on Kirton Lane was born and bred in Thorne, his brother is a Rovers Season ticket holder

Filo

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Re: Attendances vs Population for League1
« Reply #18 on December 13, 2018, 01:11:53 pm by Filo »
Goole is a prime area to target, the centre of Goole to the KM is 25 Miles, the Centre of Goole to the KCOM Stadium is 28 Miles

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« Reply #19 on December 13, 2018, 01:18:14 pm by adamtherover »
Goole is a prime area to target, the centre of Goole to the KM is 25 Miles, the Centre of Goole to the KCOM Stadium is 28 Miles
when did the K.C. stadium as it was universally known for years be rebranded as the KCOM?   Overnight all media outlets adopted the name change?   

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« Reply #20 on December 13, 2018, 01:24:13 pm by RedJ »
2016 according to Wikipedia.

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« Reply #21 on December 13, 2018, 04:32:42 pm by ravenrover »
When we take Goldthorpe from Wednesday and Barnsley we will have arrived!
For our older readers didn't Archie come from Goldthorpe?

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« Reply #22 on December 13, 2018, 05:28:17 pm by Donnywolf »
Almost sure he was from there - yes - rings a bell

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« Reply #23 on December 13, 2018, 06:36:02 pm by CottyRover »
I would say we are the best performing side at that end of the table. I know we are making up lost ground but this team deserves a  better attendance. I do think the club have the right idea with new ways to encourage ticket sales

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« Reply #24 on December 13, 2018, 06:59:33 pm by scawsby steve »
When we take Goldthorpe from Wednesday and Barnsley we will have arrived!
For our older readers didn't Archie come from Goldthorpe?

Now sadly deceased, or so I've been told.

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« Reply #25 on December 13, 2018, 08:18:47 pm by colincramb »
With the associated ‘villages’ close to the urban centre, disregarding the further outlying areas our population is probably closer to 150,000 - this puts us at over 5%, which to be fair is a much closer reflection of reality. Puts us in the top 10.


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« Reply #26 on December 13, 2018, 08:44:14 pm by DonnyOsmond »
With the associated ‘villages’ close to the urban centre, disregarding the further outlying areas our population is probably closer to 150,000 - this puts us at over 5%, which to be fair is a much closer reflection of reality. Puts us in the top 10.



What? Who do you think Rossington folk will support instead of Doncaster Rovers? The borough is what we should be aiming for and the transport links are all easily able to get to the KM.

colincramb

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« Reply #27 on December 13, 2018, 08:59:34 pm by colincramb »
I would class rossington as part of the urban centre. It’s not rocket science

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« Reply #28 on December 13, 2018, 09:08:03 pm by idler »
When we take Goldthorpe from Wednesday and Barnsley we will have arrived!
For our older readers didn't Archie come from Goldthorpe?
Yes and departed some years ago.

DonnyOsmond

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« Reply #29 on December 13, 2018, 09:35:29 pm by DonnyOsmond »
I would class rossington as part of the urban centre. It’s not rocket science

So one of the most southern parts of the 300,000+ Metropolitan Borough of Doncaster is included in a 150,000 Urban Centre of Doncaster? Good maths that mate x

 

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