Labour split

[Axholme Lion]

What's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.

[wing commander]

   It's all just a car crash.I settled down last night to watch question time hoping that somebody regardless of party would give me a straw to clutch at that our politics wasn't completely broken..Sadly the only person who did was John bloody Barnes...

    Both the Labour and Tory Mp's were in complete denial there were problems with there respective Party.The Tory spinning figures to deflect the true impact of Austerity and the Labour trying to convince everybody that there internal problems were a figment of peoples imagination..The independent was a bit better but only because he was free from the impact of the whip..

    When it finished I asked myself,if there was a election tomorrow what would I do,who's cross would I put in the box and the reality is right now I probably wouldn't even put my coat on..A opinion I never thought I would have

[BillyStubbsTears]

AL

I can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.

Let me see.

The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?

Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?

Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?

No. That all seems fine.

Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws.

Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?

[Glyn_Wigley]

What's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.

Salisbury.

[Filo]

What's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.

In Syria they backed a regime that used chemical weapons against it’s own people, decent?

They invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, decent?

They used nerve agent un the UK to assisnated former Russian spies, decent?


If you go back further

In WW2 they sided with Nazi Germany only Turning against them after Germany invaded Russia, during that time Russia invaded Poland and Finland, after the war they installed puppet regimes in many countries in Eastern Europe, Decent?

[Axholme Lion]

What's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.

In Syria they backed a regime that used chemical weapons against it’s own people, decent?

They backed the legitimate regime in a battle for survival against terrorists.

They invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, decent?

The EU started the whole Ukraine saga engineering the so called revolution. Crimea has always been Russian.

They used nerve agent un the UK to assisnated former Russian spies, decent?

He was traitor so he had it coming.


If you go back further

In WW2 they sided with Nazi Germany only Turning against them after Germany invaded Russia, during that time Russia invaded Poland and Finland, after the war they installed puppet regimes in many countries in Eastern Europe, Decent?

WW2 was the Soviet Union, not Russia.

[Axholme Lion]

AL

I can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.

Let me see.

The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?

Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?

Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?

No. That all seems fine.

Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws.

I live here because... i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's troubles would be gone.
Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?

[Axholme Lion]

AL

I can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.

Let me see.

The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?

Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?

Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?

No. That all seems fine.

Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws.

Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?

I live here because i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's problems would be solved.

[DonnyOsmond]

AL

I can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.

Let me see.

The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?

Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?

Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?

No. That all seems fine.

Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws.

Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?

I live here because i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's problems would be solved.

And the world would be a much narrower minded place.

[Axholme Lion]

AL

I can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.

Let me see.

The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?

Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?

Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?

No. That all seems fine.

Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws.

Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?

I live here because i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's problems would be solved.

And the world would be a much narrower minded place.

Wouldn't be as much aggro though would there?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, after spending the last few days insisting that the MPs who have left Labour  must stand down and have by-elections, this is a bit embarrassing for Corbyn.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanLord78/status/1098554120846360578/photo/1

I mean the content is embarrassing. Obviously the txt spk is excruciating an all.

[wilts rover]

Yes of course. Because disagreeing with the stance of your leader during an election is the same as standing for election as a party candidate and then resigning from that party.

And setting up your own political grouping, registering it as a private company and not declaring where your funding is coming from - now who on here might be expected to query the integrity of the people who have done that? Lol

[Sprotyrover]

Siobahn Mcdonagh Mp is the latest victim of the Jeremy Jewhater Road show, she has been bombarded with threats and vitriol all week as Zmomentum Hamshankers suspect she is about to walk away from Britain's answer to the 'National Socialist Party'

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wilts.
In 2010, Corbyn stood and was elected on the agreed Labour manifesto. But there he was. In his own, rather excruciating wrds saying that people were voting for him. Personally. Not necessarily for the party.

Now, much as Momentum want to paint this as a "You're either in the Church of the Blessed St Jeremy the Infallible or your a Tory like Umunna", I have no axe to grind for a bunch of people well to the right of me who have left Labour.

My point is that Corbyn doesn't have the moral high ground here. Because he has spent his lifetime being the rebel, putting HIS principles above all, he now cannot call for other people to put THEIR principles to one side.

Because, strange though it might sound to committed far leftists (and I've been there) outside that room full of people who agree with your ideological position where you polish up YOUR principles, there are people equally believing in THEIR principles which are different.

[Ldr]

RIP the Labour Party. Murdered by momentum 2018

[Bristol Red Rover]

Siobahn Mcdonagh Mp is the latest victim of the Jeremy Jewhater Road show, she has been bombarded with threats and vitriol all week as Zmomentum Hamshankers suspect she is about to walk away from Britain's answer to the 'National Socialist Party'

Jeez....

As for the Jew hater nonsense, I wonder if you have any evidence of that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mind. Talking of splits. Wait till the story about the three Cabinet ministers breaks tomorrow.

I have never in my life seen Cabinet Ministers so openly call out a PM's key policy as wrong, and not either resign or get sacked.

Bizarre times.

[Bristol Red Rover]

It's more than calling out her policies, they are insisting she resign after the May local elections. I hope she does and then we can have the real face of Toryism JRM in the hot seat 

[The Red Baron]

Mind. Talking of splits. Wait till the story about the three Cabinet ministers breaks tomorrow.

I have never in my life seen Cabinet Ministers so openly call out a PM's key policy as wrong, and not either resign or get sacked.

Bizarre times.

I was going to post something similar myself. An extraordinary intervention by Rudd and co, but in the context of this week hardly surprising.

I wonder if they will actually resign so they can vote for Letwin's amendment. Maybe they will vote anyway and defy May to sack them.

My money is on the vote being pulled again and May reluctantly agreeing to go to Brussels and ask for an Article 50 extension.

[wilts rover]

Wilts.
In 2010, Corbyn stood and was elected on the agreed Labour manifesto. But there he was. In his own, rather excruciating wrds saying that people were voting for him. Personally. Not necessarily for the party.

Now, much as Momentum want to paint this as a "You're either in the Church of the Blessed St Jeremy the Infallible or your a Tory like Umunna", I have no axe to grind for a bunch of people well to the right of me who have left Labour.

My point is that Corbyn doesn't have the moral high ground here. Because he has spent his lifetime being the rebel, putting HIS principles above all, he now cannot call for other people to put THEIR principles to one side.

Because, strange though it might sound to committed far leftists (and I've been there) outside that room full of people who agree with your ideological position where you polish up YOUR principles, there are people equally believing in THEIR principles which are different.

Sorry no. Where are the principles here? Corbyn put his principles out to the electorate before the election and said vote for me or not. These MP's stood on a Labour manifesto - got elected on that - now they don't like it and want to stand for something else!!!

And it comes out today that they are willing to vote with the Tories to keep May in power!!!

There's something going on here and it's certainly not principle. If they were principled they would stand for re-election on what they believe now.

[Filo]

This sorry bunch of self serving idiots from all side of the house have broken our system big style. At this moment I think there’s millions of voters out there that feel homeless, the next General Election could be very interesting result wise

[The Red Baron]

As per Wilts's post above, the "Independent Group" have said they will back May in a vote of confidence. Also Heidi Allen hinted at a Confidence and Supply agreement!

They are clearly sh*t-scared of facing the electorate although they are not averse to a Second EU Referendum. A highly principled group indeed.

[The Red Baron]

Just thinking about the  "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.

I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for  "we want to stop Brexit from happening"

[Axholme Lion]

Just thinking about the  "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.

I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for  "we want to stop Brexit from happening"

If this lot are so keen on another referendum why are they so averse to by elections? Absolute scum the lot of them.

[Sprotyrover]

Siobahn Mcdonagh Mp is the latest victim of the Jeremy Jewhater Road show, she has been bombarded with threats and vitriol all week as Zmomentum Hamshankers suspect she is about to walk away from Britain's answer to the 'National Socialist Party'

Jeez....

As for the Jew hater nonsense, I wonder if you have any evidence of that?

After a long-running row, Labour has adopted, in full, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, and accompanying examples, of anti-Semitism.
It included an extra statement saying this should not undermine free speech on Israel. Jeremy Corbyn proposed a longer additional statement - which would have allowed criticism of the foundation of the state of Israel as racist - but this was not accepted by the party's ruling executive.

Corbyn s own stance (including openly supporting Hezbullah)and refusal/benign  support of the Anti Semitic elements currently ruling the roost in the Labour Party are rapidly leading towards its recognition as Institutionaly Racist.

[The Red Baron]

In other news, Jeremy Hunt has managed to upset a whole nation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FRANKADEMILLE/status/1098992199491076099?p=v

I sometimes wonder if he really is an upgrade on BoJo.

[The Red Baron]

Just thinking about the  "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.

I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for  "we want to stop Brexit from happening"

If this lot are so keen on another referendum why are they so averse to by elections? Absolute scum the lot of them.

Just thinking about the  "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.

I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for  "we want to stop Brexit from happening"

If this lot are so keen on another referendum why are they so averse to by elections? Absolute scum the lot of them.

Politicians in hypocrisy shock! LOL!

[Filo]

In other news, Jeremy Hunt has managed to upset a whole nation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FRANKADEMILLE/status/1098992199491076099?p=v

I sometimes wonder if he really is an upgrade on BoJo.

Has he found out if his wife is Chinese or Japanese yet 😂😂😂

[Bristol Red Rover]

After a long-running row, Labour has adopted, in full, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, and accompanying examples, of anti-Semitism.
It included an extra statement saying this should not undermine free speech on Israel. Jeremy Corbyn proposed a longer additional statement - which would have allowed criticism of the foundation of the state of Israel as racist - but this was not accepted by the party's ruling executive.

Corbyn s own stance (including openly supporting Hezbullah)and refusal/benign  support of the Anti Semitic elements currently ruling the roost in the Labour Party are rapidly leading towards its recognition as Institutionaly Racist.

That depends on what you mean by "supporting" Hezbollah? Supporting them in getting a peace agreement that is fair to the Palestinians - yes.

As for the Labour thing - yes, some may have gone beyond what is okay, far far far less than the Tories coming out with their guffing racism.

Meanwhile, calling him Jew hating is showing your bias, or worst, simple mindedness regurgitating Zionist and right wing propaganda.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism

[Sprotyrover]

After a long-running row, Labour has adopted, in full, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, and accompanying examples, of anti-Semitism.
It included an extra statement saying this should not undermine free speech on Israel. Jeremy Corbyn proposed a longer additional statement - which would have allowed criticism of the foundation of the state of Israel as racist - but this was not accepted by the party's ruling executive.

Corbyn s own stance (including openly supporting Hezbullah)and refusal/benign  support of the Anti Semitic elements currently ruling the roost in the Labour Party are rapidly leading towards its recognition as Institutionaly Racist.

That depends on what you mean by "supporting" Hezbollah? Supporting them in getting a peace agreement that is fair to the Palestinians - yes.

As for the Labour thing - yes, some may have gone beyond what is okay, far far far less than the Tories coming out with their guffing racism.

Meanwhile, calling him Jew hating is showing your bias, or worst, simple mindedness regurgitating Zionist and right wing propaganda.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism
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I will continue to refer to him as Jeremy Jew hater until he sorts himself and the Labour Party out.... that will be for some considerable time no doubt.