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What's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on February 22, 2019, 01:13:34 pmWhat's wrong with Russia? As far as I can see in most international conflicts they back the side of decency, unlike the West backing the head choppers in Syria. But that's ok because they are 'moderate' head choppers.In Syria they backed a regime that used chemical weapons against it’s own people, decent?They backed the legitimate regime in a battle for survival against terrorists.They invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, decent?The EU started the whole Ukraine saga engineering the so called revolution. Crimea has always been Russian.They used nerve agent un the UK to assisnated former Russian spies, decent?He was traitor so he had it coming.If you go back furtherIn WW2 they sided with Nazi Germany only Turning against them after Germany invaded Russia, during that time Russia invaded Poland and Finland, after the war they installed puppet regimes in many countries in Eastern Europe, Decent?
ALI can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.Let me see.The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?No. That all seems fine. Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws. I live here because... i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's troubles would be gone.Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?
ALI can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.Let me see.The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?No. That all seems fine. Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws. Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 22, 2019, 01:33:12 pmALI can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.Let me see.The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?No. That all seems fine. Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws. Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?I live here because i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's problems would be solved.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on February 22, 2019, 03:08:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 22, 2019, 01:33:12 pmALI can't begin to think what's wrong with Russia.Let me see.The economy being carved up between a few dozen gangster?Journalists and politicians who criticise the ...ahhh...democratically elected president either being hailed or strangely walking into bullets or falling out of windows?Military strategy in their wars that make what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a church outing?No. That all seems fine. Oh aye. The fact that when THEY pour money into OUR elections, they are breaking OUR laws. Tell you what. If you're such a fan of Russia, why don't you go and live there?I live here because i'm English. If everyone stayed at home half of the world's problems would be solved.And the world would be a much narrower minded place.
Siobahn Mcdonagh Mp is the latest victim of the Jeremy Jewhater Road show, she has been bombarded with threats and vitriol all week as Zmomentum Hamshankers suspect she is about to walk away from Britain's answer to the 'National Socialist Party'
Mind. Talking of splits. Wait till the story about the three Cabinet ministers breaks tomorrow. I have never in my life seen Cabinet Ministers so openly call out a PM's key policy as wrong, and not either resign or get sacked. Bizarre times.
Wilts. In 2010, Corbyn stood and was elected on the agreed Labour manifesto. But there he was. In his own, rather excruciating wrds saying that people were voting for him. Personally. Not necessarily for the party.Now, much as Momentum want to paint this as a "You're either in the Church of the Blessed St Jeremy the Infallible or your a Tory like Umunna", I have no axe to grind for a bunch of people well to the right of me who have left Labour. My point is that Corbyn doesn't have the moral high ground here. Because he has spent his lifetime being the rebel, putting HIS principles above all, he now cannot call for other people to put THEIR principles to one side. Because, strange though it might sound to committed far leftists (and I've been there) outside that room full of people who agree with your ideological position where you polish up YOUR principles, there are people equally believing in THEIR principles which are different.
Just thinking about the "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for "we want to stop Brexit from happening"
Quote from: Sprotyrover on February 22, 2019, 10:13:48 pmSiobahn Mcdonagh Mp is the latest victim of the Jeremy Jewhater Road show, she has been bombarded with threats and vitriol all week as Zmomentum Hamshankers suspect she is about to walk away from Britain's answer to the 'National Socialist Party'Jeez....As for the Jew hater nonsense, I wonder if you have any evidence of that?
Quote from: The Red Baron on February 23, 2019, 10:40:06 amJust thinking about the "Independent Group" I found it significant that Ian Austin chose not to join them when he quit Labour yesterday. Austin is one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's Deal. He is clearly pro-Brexit but wants to avoid No Deal.I'm guessing that all the guff spouted by Soubry's Three Amigos (should that be Amigas?) about avoiding No Deal is really Westminster code for "we want to stop Brexit from happening"If this lot are so keen on another referendum why are they so averse to by elections? Absolute scum the lot of them.
In other news, Jeremy Hunt has managed to upset a whole nation.https://mobile.twitter.com/FRANKADEMILLE/status/1098992199491076099?p=vI sometimes wonder if he really is an upgrade on BoJo.
After a long-running row, Labour has adopted, in full, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, and accompanying examples, of anti-Semitism.It included an extra statement saying this should not undermine free speech on Israel. Jeremy Corbyn proposed a longer additional statement - which would have allowed criticism of the foundation of the state of Israel as racist - but this was not accepted by the party's ruling executive.Corbyn s own stance (including openly supporting Hezbullah)and refusal/benign support of the Anti Semitic elements currently ruling the roost in the Labour Party are rapidly leading towards its recognition as Institutionaly Racist.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on February 23, 2019, 11:33:48 amAfter a long-running row, Labour has adopted, in full, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, and accompanying examples, of anti-Semitism.It included an extra statement saying this should not undermine free speech on Israel. Jeremy Corbyn proposed a longer additional statement - which would have allowed criticism of the foundation of the state of Israel as racist - but this was not accepted by the party's ruling executive.Corbyn s own stance (including openly supporting Hezbullah)and refusal/benign support of the Anti Semitic elements currently ruling the roost in the Labour Party are rapidly leading towards its recognition as Institutionaly Racist.That depends on what you mean by "supporting" Hezbollah? Supporting them in getting a peace agreement that is fair to the Palestinians - yes.As for the Labour thing - yes, some may have gone beyond what is okay, far far far less than the Tories coming out with their guffing racism.Meanwhile, calling him Jew hating is showing your bias, or worst, simple mindedness regurgitating Zionist and right wing propaganda.https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism[/quoteI will continue to refer to him as Jeremy Jew hater until he sorts himself and the Labour Party out.... that will be for some considerable time no doubt.