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Means nothing if they don't go on to win it (just like Barcelona in 2017 vs PSG), but I think they will now.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 07, 2019, 09:45:47 pmRigo.For someone who has watched so much football, you don't really understand football do you?It's a great comeback - but if they don't win the competition, it'll count for nothing.Given it puts them in the final after achieving something so incredible (assuming they hold on), I think they'll win it. And win it well!
Rigo.For someone who has watched so much football, you don't really understand football do you?
Quote from: Rigoglioso on May 07, 2019, 09:50:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 07, 2019, 09:45:47 pmRigo.For someone who has watched so much football, you don't really understand football do you?It's a great comeback - but if they don't win the competition, it'll count for nothing.Given it puts them in the final after achieving something so incredible (assuming they hold on), I think they'll win it. And win it well!And that's precisely what I mean.Because, unless your a bean counter, football isn't just about winning trophies.It's about winning MEMORIES.My most profound experience ever as a football fan was that split second of dead time between the ball leaving David Cameron's boot, and Andy Warrington's fingertips somehow, impossibly, inexplicably tipping it round the post.Because, in that split second, nothing else in the world mattered. My team had come back from the dead and fought its way back to the brink of something. Since Richardson had killed it, I'd lost my grandad and my dad who had taken me to my first ever matches. It was me and our kid left as the eldest males in the family. Supporting the club that we'd been bequeathed. Watching it claw it's way spitting and fighting from the grave. And we were on the verge of finally laying the ghost of that bas**rd...And then Cameron's shot is screaming into the top corner in the last minute and it's all being snatched away from us.All of that flashed through my mind in that fraction of a second of dread, followed by the greatest elation imaginable. Elation because we were still alive. Still fighting for our chance. Everything else was secondary after that.That's MY most prized memory. And do you know what? No trophy that we could ever win could top that. Stoke didn't top it.Cardiff didn't top it.Wembley didn't top it.Brentford didn't top it (possibly because I was cursing myself for not being there).I swear that if we won the Champions League, that wouldn't top it.Because it's not about winning trophies. Not really. It's about memories. Moments when the world stops and all that matters is the life-changing/life-affirming feeling of being a fan.I hate the Premier League and the Champions League concepts with a vengeance. But I've got enough connection with the heart and soul of football to know that Liverpool have just created a memory that few who saw it will ever forget. Whether or not they win the trophy this year is bordering on irrelevant after that.
...on here tonight pissed off.
Who's pissed off old lad? I'm merely refuting your point.The way Liverpool fans bleet on, ALL that matters for them are trophies, and the amount of money they have spent, they should be winning them
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 07, 2019, 11:25:52 pmBut it's NOT about the players is it?If it was about the players, there'd be nothing to put football above Korfball or draughts.The whole reason that football is the world game is because if the people who watch it.And, by the way, those who watch it and define success by silverware are the most loathsome creations on God's earth. They are the people who walk round Donny in various eras wearing Leeds, Liverpool, Blackburn, Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, Man City shirts. Reviled by all true football fans. So football isn't about the players then? Try telling them that!
But it's NOT about the players is it?If it was about the players, there'd be nothing to put football above Korfball or draughts.The whole reason that football is the world game is because if the people who watch it.And, by the way, those who watch it and define success by silverware are the most loathsome creations on God's earth. They are the people who walk round Donny in various eras wearing Leeds, Liverpool, Blackburn, Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, Man City shirts. Reviled by all true football fans.
DanAs you know...you had to be there.I once tried explaining that experience to a couple or three businessmen Man Utd fans on a train over a bottle of wine one night. Poor dears. They just did not get it. I feel for them.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 07, 2019, 11:52:36 pmDanAs you know...you had to be there.I once tried explaining that experience to a couple or three businessmen Man Utd fans on a train over a bottle of wine one night. Poor dears. They just did not get it. I feel for them.I once worked with a Man Utd “fan” who had never been to see them play live.We were discussing how difficult it was for a Rovers to stay in the Championship.I said I was happy for us just to stay there even if we lost more than we won over the season.He said that he couldn’t understand how I could follow a club that flatlined all the time and that unless your team was winning trophies regularly there was no interest.
Quote from: Rigoglioso on May 07, 2019, 09:50:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 07, 2019, 09:45:47 pmRigo.For someone who has watched so much football, you don't really understand football do you?It's a great comeback - but if they don't win the competition, it'll count for nothing.Given it puts them in the final after achieving something so incredible (assuming they hold on), I think they'll win it. And win it well! And that's precisely what I mean.Because, unless you're a bean counter, football isn't just about winning trophies.It's about winning MEMORIES.My most profound experience ever as a football fan was that split second of dead time between the ball leaving David Cameron's boot, and Andy Warrington's fingertips somehow, impossibly, inexplicably tipping it round the post.Because, in that split second, nothing else in the world mattered. My team had come back from the dead and fought its way back to the brink of something. Since Richardson had killed it, I'd lost my grandad and my dad who had taken me to my first ever matches. It was me and our kid left as the eldest males in the family. Supporting the club that we'd been bequeathed. Watching it claw it's way spitting and fighting from the grave. And we were on the verge of finally laying the ghost of that bas**rd...And then Cameron's shot is screaming into the top corner in the last minute and it's all being snatched away from us.All of that flashed through my mind in that fraction of a second of dread, followed by the greatest elation imaginable. Elation because we were still alive. Still fighting for our chance. Everything else was secondary after that.That's MY most prized memory. And do you know what? No trophy that we could ever win could top that. Stoke didn't top it.Cardiff didn't top it.Wembley didn't top it.Brentford didn't top it (possibly because I was cursing myself for not being there).I swear that if we won the Champions League, that wouldn't top it.Because it's not about winning trophies. Not really. It's about memories. Moments when the world stops and all that matters is the life-changing/life-affirming feeling of being a fan.I hate the Premier League and the Champions League concepts with a vengeance. But I've got enough connection with the heart and soul of football to know that Liverpool have just created a memory that few who saw it will ever forget. Whether or not they win the trophy this year is bordering on irrelevant after that.
A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...
Point of order there.. “they and their fans”.?? “And”.??Football hooliganism was the fault of the fans, and society, but not the clubs surely.??
Quote from: IDM on May 08, 2019, 09:06:12 amPoint of order there.. “they and their fans”.?? “And”.??Football hooliganism was the fault of the fans, and society, but not the clubs surely.??Aye, but without fans football is nothing. It's the clubs responsibility to control the fans