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Quote from: wing commander on May 08, 2019, 08:59:16 am A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...It’s a myth. We were banned from Europe for causing mayhem over a number of years, not just the Heysal disaster. Agreed that was the final straw perhaps but we’d been threatened with a ban previously. English supporters had been causing trouble in Europe since the 60’s and UEFA simply had enough of us. So, to blame only Liverpool isn’t correct.
A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 09:54:37 amQuote from: wing commander on May 08, 2019, 08:59:16 am A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...It’s a myth. We were banned from Europe for causing mayhem over a number of years, not just the Heysal disaster. Agreed that was the final straw perhaps but we’d been threatened with a ban previously. English supporters had been causing trouble in Europe since the 60’s and UEFA simply had enough of us. So, to blame only Liverpool isn’t correct.As far as I know Liverpool fans were the only ones to kill people, but it's never their fault as they are professional victims.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 10:07:33 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 09:54:37 amQuote from: wing commander on May 08, 2019, 08:59:16 am A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...It’s a myth. We were banned from Europe for causing mayhem over a number of years, not just the Heysal disaster. Agreed that was the final straw perhaps but we’d been threatened with a ban previously. English supporters had been causing trouble in Europe since the 60’s and UEFA simply had enough of us. So, to blame only Liverpool isn’t correct.As far as I know Liverpool fans were the only ones to kill people, but it's never their fault as they are professional victims.But that's not true either. I remember more than one incident where people died, including at a fixture between Birmingham City and Leeds Utd.
Quote from: silent majority on May 08, 2019, 10:34:29 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 10:07:33 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 09:54:37 amQuote from: wing commander on May 08, 2019, 08:59:16 am A controversial view on Billy's post raises a point I read elsewhere last night but looking at it from a totally different point of view regarding memory's..A Coventry fan raged that whilst it's great for Liverpool fans to crow on about the memory of last night it was THEY and their fans behaviour who were responsible for English clubs being banned from Europe..During that time Wimbledon,Coventry and Wednesday would have being playing European football some for the only chance they will ever get.Everton had one of the best sides in the late 80's that was dismantled as players left due to not playing in Europe..Were was the memory's for us...Interesting point of view...It’s a myth. We were banned from Europe for causing mayhem over a number of years, not just the Heysal disaster. Agreed that was the final straw perhaps but we’d been threatened with a ban previously. English supporters had been causing trouble in Europe since the 60’s and UEFA simply had enough of us. So, to blame only Liverpool isn’t correct.As far as I know Liverpool fans were the only ones to kill people, but it's never their fault as they are professional victims.But that's not true either. I remember more than one incident where people died, including at a fixture between Birmingham City and Leeds Utd.Oh so it's OK then?How many died at each incident?
........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.
How dare UEFA have banned British clubs anyway? Didn't they know Britain saved all their arses in the war? blah blah blah
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I look at it like this.Heysel was the tipping point for UEFA to take action and English clubs were banned from Europe in the aftermath. Liverpool were the club directly involved, so they have to shoulder responsibility.Bygone era now though!And I still maintain for this to be the 'greatest ever comeback' Liverpool now have to go on and win the Champions League. If they don't, what will it count for? It'll be seen as a 'great' comeback, but tinged with regret as they didn't win the final.
Quote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?
Quote from: Rigoglioso on May 08, 2019, 12:20:34 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I look at it like this.Heysel was the tipping point for UEFA to take action and English clubs were banned from Europe in the aftermath. Liverpool were the club directly involved, so they have to shoulder responsibility.Bygone era now though!And I still maintain for this to be the 'greatest ever comeback' Liverpool now have to go on and win the Champions League. If they don't, what will it count for? It'll be seen as a 'great' comeback, but tinged with regret as they didn't win the final.You’re right, Liverpool were responsible for Heysel. However, the reason we were banned was our depressingly long history of causing chaos wherever we played.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 02:24:19 pmQuote from: Rigoglioso on May 08, 2019, 12:20:34 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I look at it like this.Heysel was the tipping point for UEFA to take action and English clubs were banned from Europe in the aftermath. Liverpool were the club directly involved, so they have to shoulder responsibility.Bygone era now though!And I still maintain for this to be the 'greatest ever comeback' Liverpool now have to go on and win the Champions League. If they don't, what will it count for? It'll be seen as a 'great' comeback, but tinged with regret as they didn't win the final.You’re right, Liverpool were responsible for Heysel. However, the reason we were banned was our depressingly long history of causing chaos wherever we played.But we weren't banned before Liverpool murdered people at Heysel were we, therefore they were responsible.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 02:55:43 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 02:24:19 pmQuote from: Rigoglioso on May 08, 2019, 12:20:34 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I look at it like this.Heysel was the tipping point for UEFA to take action and English clubs were banned from Europe in the aftermath. Liverpool were the club directly involved, so they have to shoulder responsibility.Bygone era now though!And I still maintain for this to be the 'greatest ever comeback' Liverpool now have to go on and win the Champions League. If they don't, what will it count for? It'll be seen as a 'great' comeback, but tinged with regret as they didn't win the final.You’re right, Liverpool were responsible for Heysel. However, the reason we were banned was our depressingly long history of causing chaos wherever we played.But we weren't banned before Liverpool murdered people at Heysel were we, therefore they were responsible.Liverpool FANS, not “Liverpool”..Also, as tragic as the Heysel deaths were, I don’t think they were murders..
I’m not belittling the tragedy of Heysel nor any other..You can’t blame/punish LFC forever for the behaviour of supporters..
Quote from: IDM on May 08, 2019, 02:58:37 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 02:55:43 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 08, 2019, 02:24:19 pmQuote from: Rigoglioso on May 08, 2019, 12:20:34 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I look at it like this.Heysel was the tipping point for UEFA to take action and English clubs were banned from Europe in the aftermath. Liverpool were the club directly involved, so they have to shoulder responsibility.Bygone era now though!And I still maintain for this to be the 'greatest ever comeback' Liverpool now have to go on and win the Champions League. If they don't, what will it count for? It'll be seen as a 'great' comeback, but tinged with regret as they didn't win the final.You’re right, Liverpool were responsible for Heysel. However, the reason we were banned was our depressingly long history of causing chaos wherever we played.But we weren't banned before Liverpool murdered people at Heysel were we, therefore they were responsible.Liverpool FANS, not “Liverpool”..Also, as tragic as the Heysel deaths were, I don’t think they were murders..Correct, Liverpool fans. However you dress it up though 39 people were killed. It wasn't just a case of a few young blokes having a tear up and a few windows getting put through on a boozer. Liverpool should never have been let near European football again.
Quote from: IDM on May 08, 2019, 03:05:07 pmI’m not belittling the tragedy of Heysel nor any other..You can’t blame/punish LFC forever for the behaviour of supporters..Why not Millwall are and we never killed anyone?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 03:28:26 pmQuote from: IDM on May 08, 2019, 03:05:07 pmI’m not belittling the tragedy of Heysel nor any other..You can’t blame/punish LFC forever for the behaviour of supporters..Why not Millwall are and we never killed anyone?b*llocks.. Millwall are not to blame for their fans’ behaviour no more than any other club are..
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 08, 2019, 12:09:23 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2019, 11:32:42 am........and of course the Juve fans were just innocent bystanders who did not do anything wrong.I suppose if it was my team or say L**ds who caused it not so many would be trying to cast the blame on Juventus fans. Why do some people never accept that Liverpool fans can ever be in the wrong?I am not denying that some Liverpool fans were in the wrong that night.I can remember watching that night and without doubt, some of the Juventus fans were equally as bad.Bricks and bottles were flying both ways.I may be wrong on this next point as my memory might not be reminding me properly, but I seem to recall there was film of an Italian fan with a gun.Maybe someone else might remember.
I thought the famous Millwall song was "No one likes us, we don't care". Axholme - you seem to care a great deal about your club being disliked!