Credit to Farage

[Bentley Bullet]

Credit to Nigel Farage for the graceful way he handled defeat after hearing last night's results.

It's such a pity that the winning Remain side wasn't equally as courteous in victory.

[Padge_DRFC]

We'd have league 1 if we borrowed another team's points 😂

[albie]

Aye, and credit to Farrago for his contacts, financial arrangements and his talent at playing the system:
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2019/05/24/nigel-man-of-the-people-farage-my-arse-meet-the-real-brexit-party-leader/

What a guy.....up there with Borump in the man of the people stakes!

[Bentley Bullet]

Aye, thank God he lost. Must have been because of all the now dead old bas**rd Leavers being replaced by all the young debutant Remainers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Some odd thinking going on here lads.

The Farageists won 40% of the seats. That's a PLURALITY not a MAJORITY. The only other parties who would even consider being close to Farage's party are the Tories and DUP, who won five seats between them. Add those and those three right wing parties won 46.6% of the seats.

On the other side, ALL the other parties who won seats (LD, Lab, Green, PC, SNP, SF and Alliance) are implacably opposed to Farage's politics. They won 53.7% of the seats.

The points at football analogy is a shite one for all sorts of reasons. There's a far simpler one.

If a group of parties who were prepared to work together won 46.6% of the seats at Westminster, would you say they had won that election?

What Farage has done brilliantly is to be the key focus on the Hard Brexit side. Whilst on the Remain side, support is fragmented between several parties.

But the clear fact is that roughly 6m voted for unequivocally Hard Brexit parties last week and  roughly 7m voted for unequivocally Remain supporting parties, with about 4m others voting for parties whose policy is some sort of deal-based Brexit with or without a second referendum.

It seems a bit odd for Farageists to be dancing in the street and claiming they've won hands down, based on those numbers.

[DonnyOsmond]

Some odd thinking going on here lads.

The Farageists won 40% of the seats. That's a PLURALITY not a MAJORITY. The only other parties who would even consider being close to Farage's party are the Tories and DUP, who won five seats between them. Add those and those three right wing parties won 46.6% of the seats.

On the other side, ALL the other parties who won seats (LD, Lab, Green, PC, SNP, SF and Alliance) are implacably opposed to Farage's politics. They won 53.7% of the seats.

The points at football analogy is ashore one for all sorts of reasons. There's a far simpler one.

If a group of parties who were prepared to work together won 46.6% of the seats at Westminster, would you say they had won that election?

They'd need the DUP to prop them up.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye, thank God he lost. Must have been because of all the now dead old bas**rd Leavers being replaced by all the young debutant Remainers.

BB. I fear I may be taken as being patronising,but you're obviously having trouble here.

Farage won a PLURALITY of votes and seats.

He got nowhere near a MAJORITY. There is no rational divvying up of other votes/seats that could make the case that he and related parties secured a majority of votes and seats.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you're still struggling.

[Bentley Bullet]

Let me get this right then.......So you're saying he actually WON then? You mean not by an absolute majority, but he actually WON? What, WON in the sense that he had more votes than any other single party? What, without all of the now dead selfish old bas**rd Leavers and instead all the young selfless Remainers replacing them?

So all the Remainers comments on telly last night saying Farage hadn't won were just sour grapes?

Well, f**k me!

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
He got more votes and more seats than anyone else. If that's how you define "win" then yes he won. If that makes you happy then I'm delighted for you.

Parties who are implacably opposed to him won significantly more votes and seats. That's the take home message from the overall election.

You do seem to have a thing about being told you've won, so, in the interests of spreading happiness, I'd be delighted for you to ignore the big picture and tell yourself that Farage won. That alright?

[Bentley Bullet]

You're right for once! I do like being told I've won. I guess I'm just a bad loser and will say anything to deny it. We can't be doing with that in grown-up politics, can we?

[SydneyRover]

You're right for once! I do like being told I've won. I guess I'm just a bad loser and will say anything to deny it. We can't be doing with that in grown-up politics, can we?

I suppose one has to start looking at what a winning party is going to do with it, say your correct BB, what's Fargo's next move will he be a Eurospoiler brat or will he use his ''win'' for the good of the EU and it's people's?

[godlike1]

I don't really care too much about this vote as it doesn't really lead to any voice or influence or impact in Europe at all.

But.......... Who did win then? Is it first past the post? e.g.the one that wins the most or something else.

It's confusing as everyone claims they won

[SydneyRover]

I don't really care too much about this vote as it doesn't really lead to any voice or influence or impact in Europe at all.

But.......... Who did win then? Is it first past the post? e.g.the one that wins the most or something else.

It's confusing as everyone claims they won

Depends on the deal, everything is still on the table at this point except No Deal so we may need those just elected to continue to speak for us.

I don't think it's a win as such, it's who-like all parliaments can make change, who has the numbers of course but at the moment it's this with counting ongoing.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=EU+elections

[SydneyRover]

Credit to Nigel Farage for the graceful way he handled defeat after hearing last night's results.

It's such a pity that the winning Remain side wasn't equally as courteous in victory.

''Here was Nigel unplugged. His narcissism and self-deceit exposed''

“So Monsieur so-called Barnier, we are fed up with you humiliating our country,” they planned to say in unison.

“What we demand is that we leave the EU on 31 October on World Trade Organization terms. Nothing more, nothing less.”

“Um … OK,” Barnier would then reply. “If that’s what you want, then be our guest.”

“But you don’t understand. We are here to negotiate a no-deal Brexit. So we want to do some negotiations.”

“I see. But the whole point of a no deal is that it doesn’t require a negotiation.”

“We don’t care. We are the crack team of negotiators. So can we negotiate not having a negotiation?”

''Repeat until everyone dies a little more inside. The Brexit party may have the excuse of only being seven weeks old, but you might have thought even they would have thought this one through''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/nigel-farage-brexit-party-unplugged-narcissism-exposed-sketch

Funnily-or not that's what a few of us have been saying here, who's been stopping you?

And-

What the EU elections had shown was pretty much what we had already known.

That the UK was hopelessly divided. Just over a third of the country wanted a no-deal Brexit,

just over a third wanted to remain and the rest wanted some kind of deal but not the one that had been offered. By any normal standards this would be considered a mess.

But with the rest of the parties largely missing in action,

the Brexit party was happy to rewrite the narrative as a huge success for itself. A Triumph of the Will of the People.

[DonnyOsmond]

I don't really care too much about this vote as it doesn't really lead to any voice or influence or impact in Europe at all.

But.......... Who did win then? Is it first past the post? e.g.the one that wins the most or something else.

It's confusing as everyone claims they won

As we're leaving soon, it was pretty much a proxy Brexit vote. The Brexit Party had the most individual elected MEPs for a party (not bad for unelected bureaucrats) but the parties that have been campaigning for Remain (Lib Dems, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru) have more MEPs collectively. As it's not a first past the post election and it just decides who from what side goes to Brussels and takes home a large salary there will be easily more Remainers and people that want us to have a close relationship with the EU than people who want us out completely.

[sha66y]

Some odd thinking going on here lads.

The Farageists won 40% of the seats. That's a PLURALITY not a MAJORITY. The only other parties who would even consider being close to Farage's party are the Tories and DUP, who won five seats between them. Add those and those three right wing parties won 46.6% of the seats.

On the other side, ALL the other parties who won seats (LD, Lab, Green, PC, SNP, SF and Alliance) are implacably opposed to Farage's politics. They won 53.7% of the seats.

The points at football analogy is a shite one for all sorts of reasons. There's a far simpler one.

If a group of parties who were prepared to work together won 46.6% of the seats at Westminster, would you say they had won that election?

What Farage has done brilliantly is to be the key focus on the Hard Brexit side. Whilst on the Remain side, support is fragmented between several parties.

But the clear fact is that roughly 6m voted for unequivocally Hard Brexit parties last week and  roughly 7m voted for unequivocally Remain supporting parties, with about 4m others voting for parties whose policy is some sort of deal-based Brexit with or without a second referendum.

It seems a bit odd for Farageists to be dancing in the street and claiming they've won hands down, based on those numbers.

Nice stats BST,
But looking at this another way.....
The remains are made up of maybe 7 independent parties with differing views , so expecting them all to agree on anything is going to be messy
The Brexits all agree on one thing....leave means leave..

The rest is just politics...lol

[SydneyRover]

Some odd thinking going on here lads.

The Farageists won 40% of the seats. That's a PLURALITY not a MAJORITY. The only other parties who would even consider being close to Farage's party are the Tories and DUP, who won five seats between them. Add those and those three right wing parties won 46.6% of the seats.

On the other side, ALL the other parties who won seats (LD, Lab, Green, PC, SNP, SF and Alliance) are implacably opposed to Farage's politics. They won 53.7% of the seats.

The points at football analogy is a shite one for all sorts of reasons. There's a far simpler one.

If a group of parties who were prepared to work together won 46.6% of the seats at Westminster, would you say they had won that election?

What Farage has done brilliantly is to be the key focus on the Hard Brexit side. Whilst on the Remain side, support is fragmented between several parties.

But the clear fact is that roughly 6m voted for unequivocally Hard Brexit parties last week and  roughly 7m voted for unequivocally Remain supporting parties, with about 4m others voting for parties whose policy is some sort of deal-based Brexit with or without a second referendum.

It seems a bit odd for Farageists to be dancing in the street and claiming they've won hands down, based on those numbers.

Nice stats BST,
But looking at this another way.....
The remains are made up of maybe 7 independent parties with differing views , so expecting them all to agree on anything is going to be messy
The Brexits all agree on one thing....leave means leave..

The rest is just politics...lol

You appear to keep missing the point Sha66y that the tory's are a single party and couldn't get wrexit up, just politics I suppose.

[Not Now Kato]

Some odd thinking going on here lads.

The Farageists won 40% of the seats. That's a PLURALITY not a MAJORITY. The only other parties who would even consider being close to Farage's party are the Tories and DUP, who won five seats between them. Add those and those three right wing parties won 46.6% of the seats.

On the other side, ALL the other parties who won seats (LD, Lab, Green, PC, SNP, SF and Alliance) are implacably opposed to Farage's politics. They won 53.7% of the seats.

The points at football analogy is a shite one for all sorts of reasons. There's a far simpler one.

If a group of parties who were prepared to work together won 46.6% of the seats at Westminster, would you say they had won that election?

What Farage has done brilliantly is to be the key focus on the Hard Brexit side. Whilst on the Remain side, support is fragmented between several parties.

But the clear fact is that roughly 6m voted for unequivocally Hard Brexit parties last week and  roughly 7m voted for unequivocally Remain supporting parties, with about 4m others voting for parties whose policy is some sort of deal-based Brexit with or without a second referendum.

It seems a bit odd for Farageists to be dancing in the street and claiming they've won hands down, based on those numbers.

Nice stats BST,
But looking at this another way.....
The remains are made up of maybe 7 independent parties with differing views , so expecting them all to agree on anything is going to be messy
The Brexits all agree on one thing....leave means leave..

The rest is just politics...lol

Yes, but what does leave mean?