Trump

[bpoolrover]

Have seen that Corbyn is not having the banquet with trump and is addressing a anti trump rally, I find it very strange that it’s possible in a year or 2 he may have to try get trade deals ect with him, surly as possible future pm it is irresponsible at best?

[rtid88]

 Corbyn will never be PM....

[Filo]

Have seen that Corbyn is not having the banquet with trump and is addressing a anti trump rally, I find it very strange that it’s possible in a year or 2 he may have to try get trade deals ect with him, surly as possible future pm it is irresponsible at best?

Wether you like the Mayor of London or not, Trumps tweet slagging him off just before Airforce One landed in this Country was disgraceful, no banquet should have been held for him and he should have been refused entry into the Country, you don’t slag citizens of the host Country off

[drfchound]

Corbyn will never be PM....

 

[bpoolrover]

That’s not the point filo as that’s never going to happen, what’s he going to do if he does not like other presidents or prime ministers just not speak to them?

[Filo]

That’s not the point filo as that’s never going to happen, what’s he going to do if he does not like other presidents or prime ministers just not speak to them?

The point is Corbyn has principles unlike those kissing Trumps arse today

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aye and making an enemy of one of the biggest leaders and closest allies is a great idea.

But at least he has his principles.....

[bpoolrover]

What about putin if he was pm should he snub him and the Saudi leader? Where does it stop?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've no problem with any leader taking a stand against Trump. The man is a criminal and a serious threat to Western democracy. Sometimes you have to draw a line.

But Corbyn's stance would be more impressive if his closest advisers weren't Putin apologists, including his Press Secretary and closest ideological adviser who took the stage with Putin to debate western imperialism and the global order a few years ago, with all expenses paid by the Kremlin.

Consistency. You either don't like venal, self-serving criminal-politicians or you do.

[rtid88]

You either don't like venal, self-serving criminal-politicians or you do.

That's sounds like the job description for every politician in this country....

[BillyStubbsTears]

You either don't like venal, self-serving criminal-politicians or you do.

That's sounds like the job description for every politician in this country....

And that sounds like a very, very silly comment.

[scawsby steve]

BST and Filo

Are you aware of what happened today? Corbyn rants and raves like a lunatic to the usual rent-a-mob, after snubbing the State banquet last night, and then behind everyone's back requests a meeting with Trump, which the President quite rightly refuses.

As regards Saddiq Kahn, can the Mayor of a city that is rampant with gun and knife crime be regarded as doing a good job?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BST and Filo

Are you aware of what happened today? Corbyn rants and raves like a lunatic to the usual rent-a-mob, after snubbing the State banquet last night, and then behind everyone's back requests a meeting with Trump, which the President quite rightly refuses.

As regards Saddiq Kahn, can the Mayor of a city that is rampant with gun and knife crime be regarded as doing a good job?

Corbyn is right to discuss with Trump his thoughts that's what sensible politicians do.  Obviously slating him before that and prompting him not to accept that request is not a sensible thing to do if you want to persuade him on things....  But then he doesn't want to do that he wants to make Trump look the bad guy.  A playbook that is straight out of Trump's method of campaigning.

[MachoMadness]

Did Corbyn request a meeting with Trump? The only one I can see saying that is Trump himself, the man who lies more than just about anyone in recorded history.

[drfchound]

I doubt that Corbyn would announce to the world that he had been snubbed.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS
I think you're confusing me with someone who supports Corbyn wholeheartedly.

I agree with BFYP's post entirely.

My take is that I do agree with Corbyn's decision not to engage with the state visit pomp and circumstance. I'm embarrassed as a proud Briton that our country is rolling the red carpet out for this man. That is a political choice by May, and like so many of those, she's made a wrong call here.

I also agree with Corbyn's request for a private meeting. All political leaders have to meet and talk with people who they find repellent.

What I don't agree with is Corbyn going into tub-thumping mode at the demo. That is utterly counter-productive and not what a LotO should be doing. But he can't help it. Because he's not just anti-Trump. He's anti-American. And that puts him aligned with maybe 15-20% of the population. And that will be used against him for years.

MM/Hound. Labour have confirmed that Corbyn asked for a meeting and was rebuffed. As I say, that will make him look more of a darling with the committed believers. And less PM material to everyone else.

[Not Now Kato]

BST and Filo

Are you aware of what happened today? Corbyn rants and raves like a lunatic to the usual rent-a-mob, after snubbing the State banquet last night, and then behind everyone's back requests a meeting with Trump, which the President quite rightly refuses.

As regards Saddiq Kahn, can the Mayor of a city that is rampant with gun and knife crime be regarded as doing a good job?

Corbyn is right to discuss with Trump his thoughts that's what sensible politicians do.  Obviously slating him before that and prompting him not to accept that request is not a sensible thing to do if you want to persuade him on things....  But then he doesn't want to do that he wants to make Trump look the bad guy.  A playbook that is straight out of Trump's method of campaigning.

Trump? Look the bad guy?  Are you saying any of the below has actually happened?  That would be Trump making Trump look bad wouldn't it?

Trump did not shove the prime minister of Montenegro and he didn’t declare that he “fell in love” with the dictator of North Korea. He didn’t hang up on the Australian prime minister, nor attack the pope on Twitter. He didn’t use a phony accent to imitate the Indian prime minister, nor make fun of Chinese leaders’ eyewear. He didn’t refer to African nations and Haiti as “shithole countries.” At no time did Trump confuse the Baltics with the Balkans. Never did he tastelessly comment on the French first lady’s body. He certainly did not invent the country of “Nambia,” nor did he boast about selling Norway a fighter jet that only exists in a computer game. He didn’t mispronounce Nepal as “nipple.”
Under no circumstance did Trump assert that “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea,” nor did he believe North Korea’s dictator over Japan’s prime minister. He most definitely did not land in Israel and announce: “We just got back from the Middle East.” He didn’t skip a visit to a U.S. military cemetery in France because of a little rain. He didn’t accept Vladimir Putin’s word over that of U.S. intelligence, and when told “do not congratulate” Putin on his rigged election victory, he did it anyway. He didn’t refer to Brussels as a “hellhole” nor assert that “Belgium is a beautiful city.” And spelling the British prime minister’s name as that of a British porn actress? Never happened.
His administration didn’t confuse Singapore with Indonesia and China with Taiwan, nor misidentify the Australian prime minister, nor misspell “Denmark.” Not once did Trump vow to “promote the possibility of lasting peach” in the Middle East. Trump simply did not advise the French to dump water on Notre Dame Cathedral from the sky, nor did he claim that Finland avoids fires by “raking” forests. He didn’t fabricate trade figures in talks with the Canadian prime minister. Neither did he falsely accuse South Africa of “large scale killing” of farmers, nor volunteer any thoughts, ever, on “what happened last night in Sweden.”
Trump, furthermore, did not sign the guest book at Israel’s Holocaust memorial with the words “so amazing.” He didn’t pull his name from a Group of Seven communique. He didn’t take a limousine and a golf cart instead of walking with other world leaders at summits. He didn’t struggle with a group handholding exercise in Manila, his knuckles didn’t whiten in the grip of Emmanuel Macron, and Melania Trump did not swat his hand away on the tarmac in Tel Aviv.
Furthermore, Trump did not reveal secret Israeli intelligence to Russia. He didn’t accuse Germany of being “totally controlled by Russia.” He didn’t taunt the French over street protests, attack the idea of NATO, use an all-caps tweet to threaten Iran with annihilation, hail “fantastic” strongmen nor pine for the reign of Moammar Gaddafi.
See https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-must-accept-that-none-of-these-things-ever-happened/2019/06/03/9ed405ec-8638-11e9-a491-25df61c78dc4_story.html?utm_term=.3f2e60d129c3&wpisrc=nl_opinions&wpmm=1 (with all the source links)
 
 

[wilts rover]

Yes Corbyn did request a meeting with Trump. In fact he has never said he wold not meet Trump - what he said is that he has done nothing to deserve a state visit so he did see why he should go to a state banquet with him.

Nor did he attack Trump in his speech today. In fact he never mentioned Trump at all. What he attacked were the ideas that Trump represents.

As for the Trump fan club, what do you think to his comments today that there have been no protests against him - that was just fake news- and that Teresa May did a great job negotiating her Brexit deal! Or are you going to pretend he never said them and can trust everything he says...

Oh and the piece at the beginning when he talks about his record approval rating - made up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/04/trump-loves-record-poll-numbers-including-ones-hes-apparently-made-up/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d450972c27ee

[scawsby steve]

Yes Corbyn did request a meeting with Trump. In fact he has never said he wold not meet Trump - what he said is that he has done nothing to deserve a state visit so he did see why he should go to a state banquet with him.

Nor did he attack Trump in his speech today. In fact he never mentioned Trump at all. What he attacked were the ideas that Trump represents.

As for the Trump fan club, what do you think to his comments today that there have been no protests against him - that was just fake news- and that Teresa May did a great job negotiating her Brexit deal! Or are you going to pretend he never said them and can trust everything he says...

Wilts, I'm not aware of any Trump fan club on here, just people saying it as it is.

Also, are you aware that Corbyn attended a State banquet given for the President of China, a man whose human rights record makes Trump look like a Sunday school teacher?

[wilts rover]

Also worth noting this about the press conference

Trump gives interviews to The Sun and Times. Theresa May calls questions only from Sky and the Times. Trump sees Gove privately. There’s a theme. It starts with M and ends with h. And has urdoc in the middle.
https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1135901388729409538

Hope you are still paying the Sky subscription guys and helping the billionaires out

[wilts rover]

Wilts, I'm not aware of any Trump fan club on here, just people saying it as it is.

Also, are you aware that Corbyn attended a State banquet given for the President of China, a man whose human rights record makes Trump look like a Sunday school teacher?

Well there are certain posters who won't be critical of him, whatever he says and whatever he does - even when it is demonstrable lie. You call that 'telling it like it is' I call it...

And yes I know that Corbyn went to the banquet with Xi Jinping. According to Emily Thornberry on the radio this morning he also had a private meeting with him to bring up human rights. Maybe he thought Xi was more open to change & dialogue than Trump?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1867686/british-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-plans-press-xi

He stopped me going to Tibet btw (Xi Jinping that is not Corbyn)

[albie]

Real news or fake comedy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7yRHQtMQnk

Could be either really!
Trump is putting comedy scriptwriters to the sword, just by being himself.

Genius.

[DonnyOsmond]

BST and Filo

Are you aware of what happened today? Corbyn rants and raves like a lunatic to the usual rent-a-mob, after snubbing the State banquet last night, and then behind everyone's back requests a meeting with Trump, which the President quite rightly refuses.

As regards Saddiq Kahn, can the Mayor of a city that is rampant with gun and knife crime be regarded as doing a good job?

Do you not think the issues in London are largely to do with austerity?

[foxbat]

the issues in whole Country are caused by 'Austerity ' ( for the many  ,of course ). But it's so much easier to blame somebody else , preferably somebody foreign.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Also worth noting this about the press conference

Trump gives interviews to The Sun and Times. Theresa May calls questions only from Sky and the Times. Trump sees Gove privately. There’s a theme. It starts with M and ends with h. And has urdoc in the middle.
https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1135901388729409538

Hope you are still paying the Sky subscription guys and helping the billionaires out

Wilts

Interesting link down the page from the tweet you linked to. I've not heard this before but it does show what a malign influence Murdoch is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Since_May68/status/1135947475536240643

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS

Knife crime is rising throughout the country.



Yes London has a major problem too, but blaming that on Khan without seeing the wider context is risible.

[Sprotyrover]

SS

Knife crime is rising throughout the country.



Yes London has a major problem too, but blaming that on Khan without seeing the wider context is risible.

Would you believe that I don't agree with you Billy sadiq Khan and his like minded cronies have over the years denigrated and ground down the Police
To such an extent that if an officer sees a group of Youths behaving in an anti social manner on a street corner, they now will do ll they can to avoid them, they don't want the grief of a Complaint or being accused of being a bigot, they have become risk averse and that's why tosspots can walk round our country with chuffing great machetes and axes stuffed down their Tracky Bottoms.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Big deep breath Billy. Big deep breath.

Sproty.


When exactly has Khan denigrated the police?

[Sprotyrover]

The Labour mayoral hopeful said he would do everything within his power to continue the reduction of the policing tool. In London stop and search has fallen by 54 per cent since 2010, but the use of a more intelligence-led, targeted approach has led to thousands more arrests.
From the London Evening standard 2010

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

And your point is?