Who Wants Boris To Fail?

[selby]

  Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
   Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
    Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
   The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.

[Bentley Bullet]

What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.

Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.

You say that, but its people like you who are fighting against brexit every step of the way, in order to derail it and ultimately for it to fail.
When the country should all be pulling in the same direction

Johnson voted against May's Brexit deal twice. What price "everyone pulling together."

Everyone's entitled to vote whatever way they want. The important bit is respecting the result and pulling together AFTER the vote.

[Filo]

Well Boris?

[coventryrover]

  Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
   Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
    Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
   The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.

for all the reasons ings e he is not fit for purpose.   Why do we have to accept someone like him being the pinnacle of our country.

[foxbat]

to @BorisJohnson
We will NOT unite with you.
You do NOT have our confidence.
We will NOT support your Premiership.
We will NOT get behind any Brexit.
We will depose you & the @Conservatives
at the earliest opportunity. We will FIGHT you,
Boris Johnson, and your policies.

 #Rebellion4Remain #GTTO

[Bentley Bullet]

  Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
   Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
    Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
   The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.

for all the reasons ings e he is not fit for purpose.   Why do we have to accept someone like him being the pinnacle of our country.

Because we live in a democracy.

[selby]

Foxbat, when your lot become a party, fight elections and become responsible for your actions, thank the lord you live in Britain, and can print clap trap like that without paying a price.

[IDM]

Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.

Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..

Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..

[selby]

  Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.

[Bentley Bullet]

Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.

Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..

Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..

There are quite a few illogical folks on this thread then!

[Bentley Bullet]

  Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.

Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.

[Filo]

  Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.

Not sure what that has to do with what Boris said in 2007, both Brown and Boris have not got a mandatefrom the British people, niether did May when she became PM, then called and election and lost the Tory’s majority, so since Cameron resigned the Tory’shave not had the mandate of the British people

[Bentley Bullet]

Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.

[IDM]

Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.

Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..

Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..

There are quite a few illogical folks on this thread then!

I didn’t count the posts but to me it looked like more were saying he probably would fail, rather than wanting him to.?

[Bentley Bullet]

Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!

[Filo]

Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.

Irrelevent, I’m calling out Boris on his words in 2007

[foxbat]

Today the UK has sent a message to the world that you can be sacked for lying (twice), be de-rided as unfit for office by your ex-boss, have used racist language multiple times, but as long as you went to Eton and Oxford, 0.3% of the population can make you our PM

#NotMyPM

[albie]

BB has asked the wrong question in the OP.

IMO it is not about wanting him to fail (and us with him), it is whether he can succeed (however you define that).

Given the HoC numbers, and the corner he has backed himself into over the EU, the answer looks like "No" to me.

So the real question is how do we get out of this mess?
....GE at the earliest opportunity, probably in the autumn, and then move on with a new HoC.

[selby]

Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
   But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.

[IDM]

Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!

I did..

Two posters explicitly said “me” in response to the OP question.

Two..

Three if you include foxbat’s rant.

Two or three out of two pages of responses.. Hardly half.. I respect your opinion but on this case your numbers are wrong..

[Bentley Bullet]

No Albie, I asked the right question because it has produced definite proof that people actually do want the country to fail in order to validate their opinion of him.

[foxbat]

whether people 'want him to fail or not ' and bearing in mind Johnson
would say anything that he thought would get him into No. 10,

 nothing has really changed. He and his supporters might strut about for a bit but fundamentally he faces the same situation as May did. Brexit is a dud, no matter which snake-oil seller is in No10.

[IDM]

No Albie, I asked the right question because it has produced definite proof that people actually do want the country to fail in order to validate their opinion of him.

Have to disagree, that’s like wanting your foot all club to get relegated so the manager you dislike would get the sack..

Of course, some will feel like that, but many many won’t..

[Bentley Bullet]

Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!

I did..

Two posters explicitly said “me” in response to the OP question.

Two..

Three if you include foxbat’s rant.

Two or three out of two pages of responses.. Hardly half.. I respect your opinion but on this case your numbers are wrong..

IDM, was you in the same class as Diane Abbott for Maths? 9 people have expressed an opinion of whether or not they want Boris to fail. 5 said NO and 4 said YES!

That is 44% want him to fail!

[IDM]

Sorry I missed Coventry whatshisname..

So 3 pushing 4 still not half..

What an utterly f**king pointless debate..

[Bentley Bullet]

What a f**king bad loser.

[selby]

  I think this thread will make interesting reading in November, as I understand it we, through the government have to ask for an extension to stay in the EU past the end of October, and that all member countries have also to agree the extension.
  Is everyone confident that our new PM will ask for an extension date, or will he use the situation to leave without a deal.

[IDM]

What a f**king bad loser.

Me.??

Didn’t I say a few posts ago that I respect your opinion.?

Bad loser my arse.!!

[Bentley Bullet]

If you think it's an utterly f**king pointless debate why did you get involved?

[Filo]

Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
   But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.

No, I’m one of those that will chage my mind when presented with the facts that proves I was wrong, not a chancer that sits on the fence and waits to see which way the wind blows