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Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #960 on March 21, 2020, 01:14:59 PM by Filo »
Itís plain to see that Boris is well out of his depth, this will be his only term as PM, I donít think heíll last the full 5 years as leader of the Tory party

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #961 on March 21, 2020, 01:23:32 PM by bpoolrover »
Got to disagree about boris I think he has come across very well in difficult times, far better in fact than I thought he would, yes he has made a couple of mistakes but throughout this so far he has come across pretty well

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #962 on March 21, 2020, 01:34:06 PM by Bentley Bullet »
A few of the staunchest Labour supporters I know, who I would never, ever in a million years imagine would say anything good about the Tory party have commended Boris for his handling of the situation.

Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #963 on March 21, 2020, 01:35:08 PM by Filo »
Got to disagree about boris I think he has come across very well in difficult times, far better in fact than I thought he would, yes he has made a couple of mistakes but throughout this so far he has come across pretty well

Get your telly fixed mate 😂😂😂

Every question he is asked he mumbles something and then looks to his left or right for help

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #964 on March 21, 2020, 01:49:37 PM by bpoolrover »
He is going to need help from the experts of course but the thing that matters is what he delivers and at the minute he is doing a pretty good job do you not think?

Glyn_Wigley

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« Reply #965 on March 21, 2020, 02:25:50 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
He is going to need help from the experts of course but the thing that matters is what he delivers and at the minute he is doing a pretty good job do you not think?

From the current Private Eye:

"Why has the UK government stopped population testing of coronavirus?

It plans to protect the most at risk by asking them to self-isolate for up to 14 weeks (at a date to be announced), while allowing the least at risk to become infected in a phased manner that establishes herd immunity while avoiding overloading the NHS. This is highly speculative and at odds with the policies of many other countries and the World Health Organization. As WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus puts it: "The idea that countries should shift from containment to mitigation is wrong and dangerous."

Many UK scientists are also deeply sceptical of this approach, and the government urgently needs to release the modelling that informs it. Stopping community testing makes any plan less likely to succeed.

How will the government know when to step up "social distancing", whether it has succeeded in flattening the curve - or if it has got it all badly wrong, if it has stopped collecting data? How will the NHS and social care staff know when it's safe to return to work after infection, if they don't even know if they've been infected? If you don't measure, you can't manage. And you can't fight a virus if you don't know where it is."

A pretty good job? On this basis, no. I'd say it's more an abdication of responsibility. Anyone can look like they're doing a 'pretty good job' if they can stand behind a lectern and waffle convincingly.
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bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #966 on March 21, 2020, 02:48:52 PM by bpoolrover »
I would think they stopped testing until they could get more tests as didnít have enough

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #967 on March 21, 2020, 02:53:36 PM by bpoolrover »
Do you think the chief science office and the chief medial officer are doing a good job Glynn?

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #968 on March 21, 2020, 08:05:22 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
Do you think the chief science office and the chief medial officer are doing a good job Glynn?

What advice have they been giving? All I know is what Boris is spouting. And this thread is about Boris and what he's deciding to do, not about who he might be listening to or not.
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Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #969 on March 21, 2020, 08:09:09 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
I would think they stopped testing until they could get more tests as didnít have enough

Wow. And that's what you call a 'pretty good job', eh?

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #970 on March 21, 2020, 08:23:02 PM by BigH »
I found Friday night's news conference interesting.

Sunak was far more Prime Ministerial than Johnson. Knew his stuff and seemed engaged.

Johnson on the other hand seemed shattered. Couldn't even answer a question about whether he'd be visiting his septuagenarian mother on Mother's Day.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #971 on March 21, 2020, 08:26:57 PM by tyke1962 »
I know Johnson is a great admirer of Churchill but he may want to reflect on the 1945 GE when Labour won a landslide victory with a majority of 83 and 48% of the vote .

Churchill's war time leadership clearly meant nothing even after 6 years of horrific war and desperate times .

Maybe all that war time socialism struck a chord with the nation .

Food for thought maybe .

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #972 on March 21, 2020, 08:36:16 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
I know Johnson is a great admirer of Churchill but he may want to reflect on the 1945 GE when Labour won a landslide victory with a majority of 83 and 48% of the vote .

Churchill's war time leadership clearly meant nothing even after 6 years of horrific war and desperate times .

Maybe all that war time socialism struck a chord with the nation .

Food for thought maybe .

Labour had a majority of 145 in 1945.

tyke1962

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #973 on March 21, 2020, 08:55:29 PM by tyke1962 »
I know Johnson is a great admirer of Churchill but he may want to reflect on the 1945 GE when Labour won a landslide victory with a majority of 83 and 48% of the vote .

Churchill's war time leadership clearly meant nothing even after 6 years of horrific war and desperate times .

Maybe all that war time socialism struck a chord with the nation .

Food for thought maybe .

Labour had a majority of 145 in 1945.


Quite right my error .

Interesting view from The Guardian published in 2001 on why the country voted the way it did .

Lot's of things here relevant to today .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/mar/14/past.education

Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #974 on March 21, 2020, 09:05:07 PM by Filo »
He should have done the daily news conference today, in times of crisis we need to hear from our leader, but I guess he doesnít work weekends

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #975 on March 21, 2020, 09:27:18 PM by tyke1962 »
He should have done the daily news conference today, in times of crisis we need to hear from our leader, but I guess he doesnít work weekends

Saturday is his designated day to have his 10 kids

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #976 on March 22, 2020, 10:30:48 AM by wilts rover »
He is going to need help from the experts of course but the thing that matters is what he delivers and at the minute he is doing a pretty good job do you not think?

Well if you think a man who for two months followed a policy of 'herd immunity, protect the economy and if a few pensioners die, too bad" (today's Sunday Times)

https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1241648336446332928

which has lead to a mortality rate exactly 14 days behind Italy

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1241491368670834688

and despite having promised in 2 news conferences this week that NHS staff have all the PPE they need, 4000 of them write a letter to the Sunday Times saying they haven't

ttps://metro.co.uk/2020/03/22/nhs-doctors-beg-boris-equipment-protect-coronavirus-12437401/

then you have a very different idea to me of what he should have been 'delivering'.


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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #977 on March 22, 2020, 12:38:13 PM by BillyStubbsTears »
I've feared this. That a man who made his career playing the buffoon, lying about everything and walking away from problems  would be a catastrophe in a crisis. The lack of proper leadership in this last few weeks has already costs us the possibility of following a trajectory of something like South Korea or China. Now we are in danger of going worse than Italy if we don't clamp down on the idiotic mass outings.

And not a f**king word about it from Johnson. Not a word. On Friday he was still blithely saying he was getting the family round for Mother's Day. The f**king idiot.

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« Reply #978 on March 22, 2020, 12:42:00 PM by BillyStubbsTears »
Sadiq Khan is saying it clearly.

"Don't leave home unless you have to, don't use public transport unless essentialÖ do it for loved ones who will die if you don't."

What the f**k is Johnson doing, not saying this clearly and unambiguously?

Meantime, in the absence of leadership, everyone of us can play a part.

Do NOT go out in public unless it is absolutely essential.

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« Reply #979 on March 22, 2020, 12:45:29 PM by BillyStubbsTears »
And THIS is what I've been even more scared of. A megalomaniac psychopath like Cummings running the country in a crisis.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnharris1969/status/1241632642581303296

There WILL be a reckoning when this is over.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #980 on March 22, 2020, 12:51:47 PM by BillyStubbsTears »
And HERE is the irony. Cummings is the one who targeted older voters to support Brexit and to support Johnson.

I said at the time that he would abandon you when you'd served your purpose. Just like Thatcher abandoned the Nottinghamshire miners.

And here it is. Him driving a policy that would have killed 2-300,000 pensioners.

What does it take for you to see it?


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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #981 on March 22, 2020, 01:40:22 PM by Filo »
Johnson was nít even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was nít there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!

Glyn_Wigley

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« Reply #982 on March 22, 2020, 01:44:58 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
Johnson was nít even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was nít there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!

Apparently some people think he's 'doing a pretty good job'.

Filo

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« Reply #983 on March 22, 2020, 01:54:42 PM by Filo »
Johnson was nít even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was nít there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!

Apparently some people think he's 'doing a pretty good job'.

This thing is bigger than Politics, Iíd be saying the same if it were a Labour PM, people feel the need to justify how they voted rather than face the real issues

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #984 on March 22, 2020, 01:58:37 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
Johnson was nít even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was nít there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!

Apparently some people think he's 'doing a pretty good job'.

This thing is bigger than Politics, Iíd be saying the same if it were a Labour PM, people feel the need to justify how they voted rather than face the real issues

That's like telling Boris he has a blank cheque to be as crap a PM as he likes because it's nothing to do with him.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #985 on March 22, 2020, 02:01:16 PM by bpoolrover »
Johnson was nít even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was nít there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!
what was he doing instead?

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #986 on March 22, 2020, 02:11:41 PM by Bentley Bullet »
bpoolrover, you're wasting your time mate. Best to put them who want to politicise such a critical situation as this in isolation.

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #987 on March 22, 2020, 02:18:19 PM by bpoolrover »
I canít believe how many experts there are on this forum, the chief medical officer and scientific officer obviously have no idea what they are doing

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #988 on March 22, 2020, 02:20:55 PM by selby »
I can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
 All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #989 on March 22, 2020, 02:24:42 PM by Bentley Bullet »
It reminds me of someone I know. He reads a pamphlet on something and becomes an authority on it! He came back from the doctors once, pamphlet in hand, and was a bloody consultant on diabetes after he'd read it.

I didn't realise there were so many people like him!