Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[wilts rover]

Chuffing heck you goons have turned this thread into an episode of 'Hitchcocks half hour!"😂😂😂😉

Hitchcocks Half Hour - sure I saw them supporting Half Man Half Biscuit back in the day...

[Not Now Kato]

https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/

Yeah, well the same rag concludes that Corbyn was stitched up and that there was no evidence of anti semetism in the Labour Party.
I wonder why Starmer apologised for it then.

I wonder why Starmer wont release this report that Sky News have then?

Which report is that.

I wonder if you think that the parents of the nurse that looked after BJ are lying about what their daughter was doing.

I have no idea what the parents of the nurse said so have no idea if they are lying. She and all her colleagues are doing a wonderful job putting their lives at risk in treating patients like him. I wish him well in his recovery so he can thank her properly by recruiting more staff, giving them adequate equipment and paying them properly. All the things he has voted against in the past.

Not just Boris. Here's a list of every MP that voted AGAINST a pay rise in 2017 that would have benefited the nurses.  You remember, all the ones who stood and cheered when the very modest pay rise proposed was voted down....

Boris Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Dominic Raab (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Gove (CONSERVATIVE)
Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVE)
Priti Patel (CONSERVATIVE)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Hancock (CONSERVATIVE)
John Redwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Grayling (CONSERVATIVE)
Sajid Javid (CONSERVATIVE)
Tobias Ellwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Hunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Nicky Morgan (CONSERVATIVE)
Grant Shapps (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davis (CONSERVATIVE)
Crispin Blunt (CONSERVATIVE)
James Brokenshire (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cleverly (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Dominic Grieve (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa May (CONSERVATIVE)
Kenneth Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Collins (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadine Dorries (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Duncan Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
George Eustice (CONSERVATIVE)
Zac Goldsmith (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Leadsom (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Liam Fox (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Michael Fallon (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Paul Beresford (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Letwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Nicholas Soames (CONSERVATIVE)
Elizabeth Truss (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa Villiers (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadhim Zahawi (CONSERVATIVE)
Justin Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Martin Vickers (CONSERVATIVE)
John Whittingdale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Henry Bellingham (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Peter Bottomley (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir William Cash (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Alan Duncan (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Roger Gale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Heald (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Greg Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Edward Leigh (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Patrick McLoughlin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dame Caroline Spelman (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Desmond Swayne (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Hugo Swire (CONSERVATIVE)
Anna Soubry (CONSERVATIVE)
Owen Paterson (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Metcalfe (CONSERVATIVE)
Johnny Mercer (CONSERVATIVE)
Kit Malthouse (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Evans (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Adams (CONSERVATIVE)
Bim Afolami (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Afriyie (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Aldous (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Allan (CONSERVATIVE)
Heidi Allen (CONSERVATIVE)
Stuart Andrew (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Argar (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Atkins (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Bacon (CONSERVATIVE)
Kemi Badenoch (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Baker (CONSERVATIVE)
Harriett Baldwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Phillip Lee (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Thérèse Coffey (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Caroline Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Julian Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Andrew Murrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Matthew Offord (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Sarah Wollaston (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Dan Poulter (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Barclay (CONSERVATIVE)
John Baron (CONSERVATIVE)
Guto Bebb (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Benyon (CONSERVATIVE)
Jake Berry (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Blackman (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Boles (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Bone (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew C Bowie (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Karen Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Brady (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Brereton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Bridgen (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Brine (CONSERVATIVE)
Fiona Bruce (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Buckland (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Burghart (CONSERVATIVE)
Conor Burns (CONSERVATIVE)
Alistair Burt (CONSERVATIVE)
Alun Cairns (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cartlidge (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Caulfield (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Chalk (CONSERVATIVE)
Rehman Chishti (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Chope (CONSERVATIVE)
Jo Churchill (CONSERVATIVE)
Colin Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (CONSERVATIVE)
Alberto Costa (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Courts (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Cox (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Crabb (CONSERVATIVE)
Tracey Crouch (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Glyn Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Mims Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Dinenage (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Djanogly (CONSERVATIVE)
Leo Docherty (CONSERVATIVE)
Julia Dockerill (CONSERVATIVE)
Michelle Donelan (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Double (CONSERVATIVE)
Oliver Dowden (CONSERVATIVE)
Jackie Doyle-Price (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Drax (CONSERVATIVE)
James Duddridge (CONSERVATIVE)
David Duguid (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Dunne (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Ellis (CONSERVATIVE)
Charlie Elphicke (CONSERVATIVE)
David Evennett (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Fabricant (CONSERVATIVE)
Suella Fernandes (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Field (CONSERVATIVE)
Vicky Ford (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Foster (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Francois (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Frazer (CONSERVATIVE)
George Freeman (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Freer (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Fysh (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Garnier (CONSERVATIVE)
David Gauke (CONSERVATIVE)
Nusrat Ghani (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Gibb (CONSERVATIVE)
Cheryl Gillan (CONSERVATIVE)
John Glen (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Goodwill (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
James Gray (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Justine Greening (CONSERVATIVE)
Sam Gyimah (CONSERVATIVE)
Kirstene Hair (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Halfon (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Hall (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Hands (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Harper (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Harrington (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Trudy Harrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hart (CONSERVATIVE)
John Hayes (CONSERVATIVE)
James Heappey (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Heaton-Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Heaton-Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Gordon Henderson (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Herbert (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Hinds (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hoare (CONSERVATIVE)
George Hollingbery (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Hollinrake (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hollobone (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Holloway (CONSERVATIVE)
John Howell (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Huddleston (CONSERVATIVE)
Eddie Hughes (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Hurd (CONSERVATIVE)
Alister Jack (CONSERVATIVE)
Margot James (CONSERVATIVE)
Ranil Jayawardena (CONSERVATIVE)
Mr Bernard Jenkin (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Jenkyns (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Jenrick (CONSERVATIVE)
Gareth Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Joseph Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
David Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Daniel Kawczynski (CONSERVATIVE)
Gillian Keegan (CONSERVATIVE)
Seema Kennedy (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Kerr (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Kwasi Kwarteng (CONSERVATIVE)
John Lamont (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Lancaster (CONSERVATIVE)
Pauline Latham (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Lefroy (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Lewer (CONSERVATIVE)
Brandon Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Ian Liddell-Grainger (CONSERVATIVE)
David Lidington (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Lopresti (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Lord (CONSERVATIVE)
Tim Loughton (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Mackinlay (CONSERVATIVE)
Rachel Maclean (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Main (CONSERVATIVE)
Alan Mak (CONSERVATIVE)
Scott Mann (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Masterton (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Maynard (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen McPartland (CONSERVATIVE)
Esther McVey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Menzies (CONSERVATIVE)
Huw Merriman (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Miller (CONSERVATIVE)
Amanda Milling (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Mills (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Milton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Mitchell (CONSERVATIVE)
Damien Moore (CONSERVATIVE)
Penny Mordaunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Marie Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
David Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
James Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
Wendy Morton (CONSERVATIVE)
David Mundell (CONSERVATIVE)
Sheryll Murray (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Neill (CONSERVATIVE)
Sarah Newton (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Nokes (CONSERVATIVE)
Jesse Norman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil O'Brien (CONSERVATIVE)
Guy Opperman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil Parish (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pawsey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Penning (CONSERVATIVE)
John Penrose (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Percy (CONSERVATIVE)
Claire Perry (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Philp (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Pincher (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Pow (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Prentis (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Prisk (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pritchard (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Pursglove (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Quin (CONSERVATIVE)
Will Quince (CONSERVATIVE)
Laurence Robertson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mary Robinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Rosindell (CONSERVATIVE)
Douglas Ross (CONSERVATIVE)
Lee Rowley (CONSERVATIVE)
Amber Rudd (CONSERVATIVE)
David Rutley (CONSERVATIVE)
Antoinette Sandbach (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Scully (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Seely (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Selous (CONSERVATIVE)
Alok Sharma (CONSERVATIVE)
Alec Shelbrooke (CONSERVATIVE)
Keith Simpson (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Skidmore (CONSERVATIVE)
Chloe Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Henry Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Royston Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Spencer (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Stephenson (CONSERVATIVE)
John Stevenson (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Rory Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Gary Streeter (CONSERVATIVE)
Mel Stride (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Stuart (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Sturdy (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Syms (CONSERVATIVE)
Derek Thomas (CONSERVATIVE)
Ross Thomson (CONSERVATIVE)
Maggie Throup (CONSERVATIVE)
Kelly Tolhurst (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Tracey (CONSERVATIVE)
David Tredinnick (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Tugendhat (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Vaizey (CONSERVATIVE)
Shailesh Vara (CONSERVATIVE)
Charles Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Robin Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Wallace (CONSERVATIVE)
David Warburton (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Warman (CONSERVATIVE)
Giles Watling (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Whately (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Whittaker (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Wiggin (CONSERVATIVE)
Gavin Williamson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Wood (CONSERVATIVE)
William Wragg (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Wright (CONSERVATIVE)

Gregory Campbell (DUP)
Nigel Dodds (DUP)
Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson (DUP)
Paul Girvan (DUP)
Ian Paisley (DUP)
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP)
Gavin Robinson (DUP)
Jim Shannon (DUP)
David Simpson (DUP)
Sammy Wilson (DUP)


I wonder if any of them feel any sense of shame right now?  Or the people who voted them into power!

[idler]

I posted that list on Facebook yesterday and it's a list of shame.
Not one of them had the guts to go against the party line.
Surely not every Tory  MP agreed?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I posted that list on Facebook yesterday and it's a list of shame.
Not one of them had the guts to go against the party line.
Surely not every Tory  MP agreed?

Ah, but don't forget, that was at a time when austerity was still the solution to all our economic ills. Apparently.

[idler]

That policy really cured all of our ills. What a set of puppets to blindly follow those policies and cheer voting down a well earned pay rise for nurses. I hope that they cringe when they see the footage of themselves when that result was declared.
My wife was a nurse,my daughter a teacher a son-in-law a policeman and his wife my youngest step-daughter is a civilian working for the police. All were badly let down by the Tories. May as Home Secretary ridiculing the police whilst cutting numbers that are now having to be replaced.

[foxbat]

and it really beggars belief that the muppets voted them back in again , because they thought Coco the clown was a good laugh on the tele.

and how's that working out now ?

[Donnywolf]

I posted that list on Facebook yesterday and it's a list of shame.
Not one of them had the guts to go against the party line.
Surely not every Tory  MP agreed?

Ah, but don't forget, that was at a time when austerity was still the solution to all our economic ills. Apparently.

.... and we didnt have a Magic Money tree either

[Bentley Bullet]

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

[scawsby steve]

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Oops a daisy.

[wilts rover]

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Was it written on the side of bus?

[bpoolrover]

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

lies it’s all lies

[Not Now Kato]

Seems some people can't read, either what I wrote or what the article posted by BB actually said, as it agreed with me!
 
Must be something about them wanting to defend the Tories no matter how bad they behave.  There's none so blind as them that refuse to see!
 
Or are you suggesting that the nurses wouldn't have benefited if the Tories had voted for it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

For context NNK, at the time that the Tories were cheering that vote, they'd been in power for 7 years. In that time, nurses pay had decreased by 10% in real terms, because they had had below-inflation pay rises in every single year.

As I've said before, the one and only demographic group who were protected from Austerity were pensioners. State pension went up by over 7% in real terms over that same period.

Now, I'm absolutely not saying that we shouldn't have looked after pensioners. But it's notable that it is a couple of older posters in here who are (oddly) crowing over that post of BB's, and not criticising the state of NHS pay over the past decade.

[Bentley Bullet]

As I understand it the Tory cheers were not because the vote meant that nurses were not going to get a pay rise, it was because to lose the vote would have meant a vote of no confidence. Nurses got a pay rise anyway, despite the public sector pay cap.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yep. They got a pay rise in 2017.

It was 1%.

Inflation was 3.6%. (Inflation had increased dramatically, because of the collapse in the value of the Pound after the Brexit vote, the year before. Who could have predicted that? Apart from all them economists who predicted precisely that...)

So the nurses effectively got a -2.6% pay "rise" in 2017.

What, exactly, is your point here BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

The point is BST that this thread is about the Tories cheering because the vote meant that nurses were not going to get a pay rise. That's b*llocks and you know it.

See what I mean when I talked earlier about one-sided propaganda bullshit?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wasn't questioning that BB. You might want to read what I wrote in response to what you wrote before responding next time.

[Bentley Bullet]

So you mean you are actually agreeing with my point?

[foxbat]

Yorkshire Bylines have got dePfeffel nailed exactly

"Johnson thinks of himself as Churchill,
others see him as Chamberlain but in truth
 he is closer to Tommy Cooper now supremely miscast as a funeral director in a Harold Pinter play."

Anthony Robinson for Yorkshire Bylines
#BorisJohnson
@BylineTimes

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, he did secure the biggest Tory majority for 32 years, just like that.

[IDM]

The Tory majority was more down to a lack of quality in the opposition and trust in their leaders.. 

[Bentley Bullet]

Or to put it another way, the Tory party had more quality and more trust in their leader.

[IDM]

No, too many people voted tactically to avoid Corbyn becoming PM, even thousands of traditional labour voters..

The tories won because people didn’t want the others.

Anyway, regardless of who won and how and why, we have a PM presiding over a government mostly of incompetent and spineless individuals, led by a proven liar

[Bentley Bullet]

Exf**kingzactly, because the Tory party had more quality, and the public had more trust in Boris than Corbyn!

[IDM]

More maybe, to permit negative voting against the others.. but not more as in enough to make voting Tory a positive choice..

People were negatively voting against certain parties, rather than for the Tories.

Not everyone obviously, most who always vote conservative would have done so anyway, but enough to swing the balance in plenty of seats:

You could probably say we got the best of a bad lot,  rather than someone we really wanted.

That’s quite sad really.

[Ldr]

This country hates Marxism so any party that appears to lean that way are on a slippery surface when it comes to elections

[Bentley Bullet]

More maybe, to permit negative voting against the others.. but not more as in enough to make voting Tory a positive choice..

People were negatively voting against certain parties, rather than for the Tories.

Not everyone obviously, most who always vote conservative would have done so anyway, but enough to swing the balance in plenty of seats:

You could probably say we got the best of a bad lot,  rather than someone we really wanted.

That’s quite sad really.

What's sadder is many staunch Labour supporters voted against Corbyn DESPITE the ridicule Boris Johnson was receiving from the 'in touch' media!

[tommy toes]

The 'in touch'  media which the average person never reads.
Where was Boris ridiculed by The Sun, Mail, Express,Times, Telegraph etc?

[Bentley Bullet]

I wouldn't imagine the staunch Labour defectors would read The Sun, Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph despite their despair of Corbyn.

[tommy toes]

I wouldn't imagine the staunch Labour defectors would read The Sun, Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph despite their despair of Corbyn.

There you go again BB, turning the point around to suit yourself.
Your point was about Johnson being ridiculed, which compared to what Corbyn got was miniscule.
I ain't BST so I won't be wasting any more time batting back and forth on this.