Parliament to be prorogued

[Bentley Bullet]

If the Scottish judge had ruled in favour of the injunction today, we'd never have heard the last of it on here. The sneering would have been deafening.

How dare any of that rabble in Westminster accuse anyone of being undemocratic after the constant blocking, diverting, bullying and conning of the last 3 years.

17.4 million; the biggest vote ever in British political history. Think about it.

... and here is the 1975 Result with the second biggest ever vote etc ...

Yes (remain in EU)         17,378,581    67.23 %
No    ( Leave EEC / EU)   8,470,073    32.77 %

So only 22000 votes less to Remain in EEC/EU than to leave in 2016 and it produced a majority of 34.5 %

The 17.4 mill in 2016 produced only a majority of 4 %

Tory MPs have constantly disrespected the 1975 result even with its majority of 2 to 1 but then ask other MPs now to uphold the will of the british people and respect democracy while they did not give a s**t about a majority 8 times bigger

Think about it

Remainers conveniently forget that when Britain voted in 1975 to remain a member of the EEC — after joining in 1973 — the referendum was based on the lie that membership had no political implications. In fact, the EU’s founders, especially Jean Monnet, saw ever-deeper economic union as a way to forge ever-deeper political union. In 1986, Thatcher signed the Single European Act (which set the objective of establishing a single market), apparently believing that it was only an extension of free trade in goods to services, capital, and labour.

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/britain-was-never-truly-part-of-the-eu-20180717

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST would need a 2 question referendum. Q1 binary leave or remain. Q2 if leave what is preferred

No. Just a single transferrable vote.

A) No Deal
B) Whatever deal the Govt could negotiate.
C) Remain.

Put a 1 by your first preference and 2 by your second.

Count up all the 1s. Eliminate the option with fewest votes.

Redistribute all the 2s from those ballots and you have a specific outcome with majority support.

Add more options and more rounds if you want.

why not just have no deal and whatever the government can come up with? There is no need for remain to be on it, as you say labour said they will accept the result?

Stop and think about it. I promise, I'm not trying to con you here (unlike the Leave campaigners). I'm trying to be even-handed. Accept that please and read this.

In 2016, "Leave" got most votes. But "Leave" wasn't a single, defined thing. It covered every possibility from leaving the EU but staying in the CU and SM, to an extreme No Deal.

Anyone who wanted ANY of this kinds of Leave, would have voted Leave.

But here's the rub.

You CANNOT assume that anyone who wanted ONE of those types of Leave would be happy with ALL of them.

There is no way you can assume that someone who wanted a Norway type deal would prefer No Deal to Remain.

THAT was the problem with the 2016 vote. It was shockingly badly designed. And it lumped ALL kinds of Leave into one pot,when we could only ever actually have ONE specific Leave.

The opinion polls have said for three years that, given the choice between No Deal and Remain, there is a big majority for Remain. That can only mean that a lot of people who voted for a soft Brexit in 2016 would prefer Remain over No Deal. And that is why the only fair and logical vote is a single transferrable vote with several options INCLUDING Remain.

[Glyn_Wigley]

If the Scottish judge had ruled in favour of the injunction today, we'd never have heard the last of it on here. The sneering would have been deafening.

How dare any of that rabble in Westminster accuse anyone of being undemocratic after the constant blocking, diverting, bullying and conning of the last 3 years.

17.4 million; the biggest vote ever in British political history. Think about it.

... and here is the 1975 Result with the second biggest ever vote etc ...

Yes (remain in EU)         17,378,581    67.23 %
No    ( Leave EEC / EU)   8,470,073    32.77 %

So only 22000 votes less to Remain in EEC/EU than to leave in 2016 and it produced a majority of 34.5 %

The 17.4 mill in 2016 produced only a majority of 4 %

Tory MPs have constantly disrespected the 1975 result even with its majority of 2 to 1 but then ask other MPs now to uphold the will of the british people and respect democracy while they did not give a s**t about a majority 8 times bigger

Think about it

Remainers conveniently forget that when Britain voted in 1975 to remain a member of the EEC — after joining in 1973 — the referendum was based on the lie that membership had no political implications. In fact, the EU’s founders, especially Jean Monnet, saw ever-deeper economic union as a way to forge ever-deeper political union. In 1986, Thatcher signed the Single European Act (which set the objective of establishing a single market), apparently believing that it was only an extension of free trade in goods to services, capital, and labour.

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/britain-was-never-truly-part-of-the-eu-20180717

This old bullshit again, eh?

The politicians certainly knew, even before we joined the EEC.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/03/29/no-britain-wasnt-lied-to-when-we-joined-the-eu-we-knew-what-we-w/

And they told the public too.

https://infacts.org/mythbusts/voters-werent-conned-1975-referendum/

[Bentley Bullet]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12176234/Nine-deceptions-in-our-history-with-the-EU.html

[bobjimwilly]

Hi BB,

In case you missed BST's post above, here is the important bit,

The opinion polls have said for three years that, given the choice between No Deal and Remain, there is a big majority for Remain. That can only mean that a lot of people who voted for a soft Brexit in 2016 would prefer Remain over No Deal. INCLUDING Remain.

What would you say to that?

[Bentley Bullet]

Polls can be misleading. Before the 2016 referendum, polls showed Remain ahead.

[Bentley Bullet]

Has the country been warned of the dangers of remaining?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/remaining-in-the-eu-would-come-at-a-big-price-for-britain/

[DonnyOsmond]

BB - why did you vote to remain? You're very anti-EU on here so it does seem odd you voted to stay in.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Polls can be misleading. Before the 2016 referendum, polls showed Remain ahead.

No BB. They didn't. You're wrong.

In the last three weeks of the campaign there were 31 polls.

15 had Leave ahead
15 had Remain ahead.
1 had the two sides tied.

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1167729471195164672?s=19

Prime minister Cummings has spoken.

[Bentley Bullet]

Polls can be misleading. Before the 2016 referendum, polls showed Remain ahead.

No BB. They didn't. You're wrong.

In the last three weeks of the campaign there were 31 polls.

15 had Leave ahead
15 had Remain ahead.
1 had the two sides tied.

What do you mean I'm wrong? Polls DID show Remain ahead. 15 of them by your own admission. Keep up man.

[bobjimwilly]

seems more than a few people are willing to show their displeasure at Parliament being prorogued

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49534940

[bobjimwilly]

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1167729471195164672?s=19

Prime minister Cummings has spoken.

brexit: take back control from "un-elected bureaucrats" and give it to actual un-elected advisors

[BillyStubbsTears]

The BB Argument Cycle

1) BB says something that's wrong.
2) Someone points out he's wrong.
3) BB responds with a smart arse response, usually based on syntax, and claims he was right after all, ha-ha-ha.
4) Someone tells him to grow up.
5) BB complains about people being patronising.
6) Someone else explains the original mistake patiently.
7) BB complains about cliques and disciples.
8) Everyone else silently facepalms.
9) Go to 1.

It'll be a lot more efficient in future when 1) happens if we just take 2-9) as read and move straight on to the next 1).

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1167729471195164672?s=19

Prime minister Cummings has spoken.

The most surreal part of this is that Cummings was found to be in contempt of Parliament last year for refusing to attend a Select Committee meeting to answer questions on how he broke the law in the 2016 referendum.

Now he's running the country.

[DonnyOsmond]

Brexiteers - "It doesn't matter Leave campaign broke the law, etc... Democracy! EU are unelected bureaucrats."

Also Brexiteers - "Heil Cummings!"

[SydneyRover]

Don't upset bb he has trouble inventing funny lines when he has the monk on.

[Bentley Bullet]

The BB Argument Cycle

1) BB says something that's wrong.
2) Someone points out he's wrong.
3) BB responds with a smart arse response, usually based on syntax, and claims he was right after all, ha-ha-ha.
4) Someone tells him to grow up.
5) BB complains about people being patronising.
6) Someone else explains the original mistake patiently.
7) BB complains about cliques and disciples.
8) Everyone else silently facepalms.
9) Go to 1.

It'll be a lot more efficient in future when 1) happens if we just take 2-9) as read and move straight on to the next 1).

No BST, I'm not wrong, and when I prove I'm not wrong you respond with obscenities in the form of personal insults instead of an answer.

In your tiny world of self-righteousness, there's no room for anybody who disagrees with you. You pick fault with anything and everything you can find if someone posts something that goes against your views as if in a state of anger because it defies your infinite wisdom.

 On the other hand, you defend fellow Remoaners, and completely ignore them when they are totally wrong. Mind you, in your defence, I suppose you haven't really got that many followers to fall out with.

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't upset bb he has trouble inventing funny lines when he has the monk on.

I wonder if I'm psychic? I was thinking about you Syderney when I wrote my last post and up you pop! I think you'll find it's your leader that gets the monk on. It's become a habit with him.

[scawsby steve]

seems more than a few people are willing to show their displeasure at Parliament being prorogued

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49534940

Wow; there'll be some milk shakes thrown about today. They'll have to make sure they don't get any on their anoraks.

[tommy toes]

Back from the anti prorogue demo.
Despite it being a meeting about the threat to democracy we were subjected to plenty of abuse by local Brexit fanatics or Johnson supporters telling us to f**k off to a remain town and worse.

Met Chris Williamson and later he spoke very well about how our society should work. (He should stick to that and leave the anti sematism alone)

What struck me however is the unwavering support Jeremy Corbyn has amongst the faithful.
They seem to have complete trust that he'll take them to victory; and my daughter who's getting to be quite s big noise in the local Labour party warned me not to say ANYTHING against his leadership, when it's as plain as the nose on your face that he's a busted flush with the electorate.

[SydneyRover]

seems more than a few people are willing to show their displeasure at Parliament being prorogued

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49534940

Wow; there'll be some milk shakes thrown about today. They'll have to make sure they don't get any on their anoraks.

probably better not to get your jokes from bb steve.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB - why did you vote to remain? You're very anti-EU on here so it does seem odd you voted to stay in.

I voted remain because I'm a totally selfish bas**rd and I was worried about my pension. However, I needn't have worried it seems because so far it's doing quite well. No doubt someone will pop up and tell I should fear for my future now though!

I went off the idea of supporting remain when leave won. As far as I was concerned we were then all leavers and should have all united in making our departure as successful as possible. Alas, parliament didn't want us to leave, and, because of the support of thousands of bitter remainer losers, they were able to try to block Brexit with confidence in the belief that they are doing it for the people!

I can't be part of that b*llocks.

[SydneyRover]

Back from the anti prorogue demo.
Despite it being a meeting about the threat to democracy we were subjected to plenty of abuse by local Brexit fanatics or Johnson supporters telling us to f**k off to a remain town and worse.

Met Chris Williamson and later he spoke very well about how our society should work. (He should stick to that and leave the anti sematism alone)

What struck me however is the unwavering support Jeremy Corbyn has amongst the faithful.
They seem to have complete trust that he'll take them to victory; and my daughter who's getting to be quite s big noise in the local Labour party warned me not to say ANYTHING against his leadership, when it's as plain as the nose on your face that he's a busted flush with the electorate.

Good on you TT for getting out there and campaigning, we've already seen an example of boris's idea of democracy when he bought the water cannon costing the community 322k.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes BB

And as has been pointed out a dozen times, May's interpretation of Brexit as a matter to be dealt with ONLY by the Tory party f**ked over any concept of us all uniting.

And then, the ones who are currently running the Cabinet voted down the balls of of a deal that she agreed.

But hey! You ignore all that again, and go on insisting it's Remainers who have f**ked the country over.

[Bentley Bullet]

If I've pointed it out a dozen times it's because I've been asked a dozen times.

May's deal was rejected because it was considered a bad one. Do you honestly think Corbyn Monoxide would have supported ANY deal May struck?

I firmly do believe Remainers have played a very big part in trying to f**k the country over, and still are at this precise time.

[SydneyRover]

If I've pointed it out a dozen times it's because I've been asked a dozen times.

May's deal was rejected because it was considered a bad one. Do you honestly think Corbyn Monoxide would have supported ANY deal May struck?

I firmly do believe Remainers have played a very big part in trying to f**k the country over, and still are at this precise time.

Maybe you're right you are psycho?

[DonnyOsmond]

If I've pointed it out a dozen times it's because I've been asked a dozen times.

May's deal was rejected because it was considered a bad one. Do you honestly think Corbyn Monoxide would have supported ANY deal May struck?

I firmly do believe Remainers have played a very big part in trying to f**k the country over, and still are at this precise time.

I think he'd have supported a Norway kind of deal.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You talk about the country uniting behind Brexit. How were the disparate parts of the country supposed to unite when everyone but the Right of the Tory party were hoyed out of having any input into the debate on what Brexit meant.

I've told you that I would have accepted a Norway-type Brexit. You told me you didn't believe me.

And then you whine about the way you get responded to in here...

[BillyStubbsTears]

DO

Yep, of course Corbyn would have done, because Brexit is toxic to him. Last thing he wanted was to drag it out for 3 years. It's killing his chances of ever being PM.

It's just wilful idiocy to complain about ANYONE outside of the Right wing of politics for the state we're currently in. Because they are the only ones who have had any input into the process.