Labour policies

[selby]

I wouldn't worry about it. Labour have as much chance of being elected as the man in the moon.

[bpoolrover]

If it was 2 happen soon as labour got in(I know it’s not but can’t work figured out as don’t not what wages will be in ten years) a 16 year old working 32 hours with no experience surely it will just make youth unemployment rocket as who in a little business is going pay that sort of money

[RedJ]

Yeah businesses never employ people with no experience do they.

[BillyStubbsTears]

We HAVE to move towards a shorter working week, with a flat rate basic wage paid by the State. It's a no brainer.

Automation and AI is going to rapidly takeover many millions of existing jobs.

In the USA, 20% of jobs are associated with driving (taxis, lorries, deliveries, warehouse Jobs filling the vehicles). The vast majority of those won't exist by 2040 because of driverless vehicles and automated storage plants. It'll be similar in the UK, except no-one has researched the exact numbers.  Do you just shrug your shoulders as 6 million UK jobs vanish and say "find something else"? We need radical plans NOW for the biggest and fastest impending industrial revolution ever.


What we have to do is tax the companies who make mega profits out of this and redistribute that money across the whole population as a guaranteed minimum income. Then people can top that up by working fewer hours in the fewer jobs that do remain.

The alternative will be mass unemployment and poverty like no-one alive has ever seen.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, as we ought to be looking to the future, the big unions are dragging Labour back to the 1970s.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Open_Selection/status/1176078591957917696

So much for Labour policy being decided by the members eh? It's dominated by the decisions if Stalinist dinosaurs like McCluskey, elected on a 12% turnout of his union electorate, dictating what Labour should do.

[bpoolrover]

Yeah businesses never employ people with no experience do they.

of course they do but if your a small business would you employ a 16 year old with no experience or someone with experience for the same money?

[RedJ]

Yeah businesses never employ people with no experience do they.

of course they do but if your a small business would you employ a 16 year old with no experience or someone with experience for the same money?

You do realise this is how the employment market already operates don't you? making the week shorter would make absolutely no difference to these practices.

[bpoolrover]

That depends if you get enough work done in the 32 hours to get the job done if not your going to have to hire someone else as there will be no zero hour contracts

[bpoolrover]

And as 1 of the policies which the thread is about is giving 16 year olds the same pay as someone older it is relevant, I’m sure you will argue what ever but carry on you must have nothing better to do

[RedJ]

That depends if you get enough work done in the 32 hours to get the job done if not your going to have to hire someone else as there will be no zero hour contracts

Yes but OTHER companies will also be working 32 hours... so you'll in turn have not as much on yourself. And before you say not everyone will work the same hours, that is, you guessed it, also the case in the present day.

And I don't really see an issue with paying a 16 year old the same amount of money as an older person. Just because the person is older doesn't necessarily mean they've got more experience in the job does it?

[bpoolrover]

no it’s not always the case but many times it is, so let’s just say that is the case which will people end up employing? My wife’s a nurse and the hca that work there earn around 9 pound a hour for a pretty stress full job, unless they end up getting quite a lot more than the 10 pound they will just leave and get a less stressful job for the same money, and yes I know I changed topic

[Sprotyrover]

32 hour week is a pipe dream,example cutting Police hours to 32 Per week instantly gets rid of the 20,000 increase in staff. It reduces your nurses from 320,000 to 275,000 etc etc.

[RedJ]

no it’s not always the case but many times it is, so let’s just say that is the case which will people end up employing? My wife’s a nurse and the hca that work there earn around 9 pound a hour for a pretty stress full job, unless they end up getting quite a lot more than the 10 pound they will just leave and get a less stressful job for the same money, and yes I know I changed topic

I'm struggling to see the relevance.

But if you want to go down the road of paying for experience, many companies that pay salary rather than the hourly rate already DO pay people more based on experience.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

32 hour week is a pipe dream,example cutting Police hours to 32 Per week instantly gets rid of the 20,000 increase in staff. It reduces your nurses from 320,000 to 275,000 etc etc.

Exactly my point and exactly the same in a continuous manufacturing environment.  Take a basic manufacturing lean business. The scientific process doesnt speed up and the staff still required so the costs go up. Add in increased wages and how do you ever compete?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting also some talk that the brexit vote today was manufactured to get a win for Corbyn.  It kinda flies in the face of the party choosing policy.....  what a mess they made of that.

[DonnyOsmond]

A firm in New Zealand did a study on it's 240 employees when they reduced working hours from 40 hours to 32 and the results were stress was decreased by 7%, work satisfaction increased by 5% and their actual job performance levels didn't change at all.

https://zapier.com/blog/four-day-work-week/

[Sprotyrover]

A firm in New Zealand did a study on it's 240 employees when they reduced working hours from 40 hours to 32 and the results were stress was decreased by 7%, work satisfaction increased by 5% and their actual job performance levels didn't change at all.

https://zapier.com/blog/four-day-work-week/

Of course it would work for a will writing company, no market forces no crucial dead lines, no over crowded hospital wards and bed pans to sluice out.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Every improvement in the conditions of workers has been met with this "can't be done" blank stare.

Stopping kids working down pits
Introducing pensions.
Introduction mandatory minimum holiday allowance.
Introducing the dole.
Introducing the NHS.
Introducing the minimum wage.

Sometimes you need to think outside the box that experience and the way things are imposes on you.

[drfchound]

Can anyone explain though what is the Labour position on Brexit.
Whenever one of their MPs is asked that question, including the boss, there isn’t a direct answer to the question.
Only ifs, buts and maybes.
Please bear in mind that I don’t follow the political scene like some of you but having watched the news over the last few days I don’t see a commitment to either direction.

[Sprotyrover]

Every improvement in the conditions of workers has been met with this "can't be done" blank stare.

Stopping kids working down pits
Introducing pensions.
Introduction mandatory minimum holiday allowance.
Introducing the dole.
Introducing the NHS.
Introducing the minimum wage.

Sometimes you need to think outside the box that experience and the way things are imposes on you.

Stopping kids going down mines was probably down to the Silkstone pit disaster.
The NHS was born out of a Labour govt spending our Marshal plan money on health rather than re building industry, history is the judge of that, look at Germany!

[SydneyRover]

Yes, quick look over there!

[wing commander]

   

Can anyone explain though what is the Labour position on Brexit.
Whenever one of their MPs is asked that question, including the boss, there isn’t a direct answer to the question.
Only ifs, buts and maybes.
Please bear in mind that I don’t follow the political scene like some of you but having watched the news over the last few days I don’t see a commitment to either direction.

I can answer that for you hound.Heres a quote from Keir Starmer the shadow brexit minister to explain all..

"I have mixed feelings about the Labour leader staying neutral on the issue of brexit”.

Which basically translates to I'm unsure about our unsure policy..You cant make it up.

   How can they be so stupid?? They have seen their standing in the polls which is lower than a snakes belly,read how little confidence the public has in either Corbyn or the party even compared to the Tory's yet they still beat to the drum of Mcluskey and a handful of radical idiots like some of breast thumping loons who stood up on the platform yesterday.

   While they were whipping themselves into a frenzy of socialist solidarity with speeches that I could only smile at,the rest of the Country was shaking it's head..Labour voters moan that you don't get coverage from the right wing press but after whats come out of this conference if I was you I would consider that a blessing...

   

[Glyn_Wigley]

Every improvement in the conditions of workers has been met with this "can't be done" blank stare.

Stopping kids working down pits
Introducing pensions.
Introduction mandatory minimum holiday allowance.
Introducing the dole.
Introducing the NHS.
Introducing the minimum wage.

Sometimes you need to think outside the box that experience and the way things are imposes on you.

Stopping kids going down mines was probably down to the Silkstone pit disaster.
The NHS was born out of a Labour govt spending our Marshal plan money on health rather than re building industry, history is the judge of that, look at Germany!

I rather think that housing people was a much higher priority for Germany than it was for us at that time.

[Sprotyrover]

I recall the Airy Houses and prefabs galore in this country.

[i_ateallthepies]

Every improvement in the conditions of workers has been met with this "can't be done" blank stare.

Stopping kids working down pits
Introducing pensions.
Introduction mandatory minimum holiday allowance.
Introducing the dole.
Introducing the NHS.
Introducing the minimum wage.

Sometimes you need to think outside the box that experience and the way things are imposes on you.

Stopping kids going down mines was probably down to the Silkstone pit disaster.
The NHS was born out of a Labour govt spending our Marshal plan money on health rather than re building industry, history is the judge of that, look at Germany!

Give your head a shake, Sproty.  We had a manufacturing based economy to rival anybody until Thatcher torched it.

[Not Now Kato]

I recall the Airy Houses and prefabs galore in this country.

Yep.  We were building down to a price while Germany was building up to a standard.
 
Not much seems to have changed over the intervening years.

[selby]

I agree about Labour and Germany, they want us to be the best country that East Germany could be.

[GazLaz]

I’m no Corbyn fan but having just watched his conference speech, how anyone could vote for anyone but labour in the next GE I’ll never know.

If they had a different leader they would win at a canter.

[Iberian Red]

I agree about Labour and Germany, they want us to be the best country that East Germany could be.

I get a strong feeling you update your free bus pass on a more regular basis than you do your knowledge of current affairs.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’m no Corbyn fan but having just watched his conference speech, how anyone could vote for anyone but labour in the next GE I’ll never know.

If they had a different leader they would win at a canter.

It was an excellent speech, but here's the problem.

These figures show the worst poll ratings for each Leader of the Opposition for the last 40 years.

https://mobile.twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1175007654533566464

Let's be brutally honest. He's not winning a majority in any election from that position. Full stop.

And before anyone from the Cult of Corbyn piles in to remind me about how superbly well he did when he didn't get a majority in 2017, he started off that campaign on -25% net satisfaction rating.

I'm sure it's the rest of us who are all wrong though.