Labour policies

[i_ateallthepies]

They will stand in Doncaster, Padge.  Why else was Farage doing his rounds a couple of weeks back?

[DonnyOsmond]

Labour voters overwhelmingly are remainers? Try telling that to labour voting Doncaster with one of the highest leave vote percentage.
If the Brexit party stood in Doncaster they would wipe the floor with labour this year.

Have Doncaster folk always been far right? People who want public services like the NHS to be privatised? As a working class area you'd assume they'd be up for investment into public services, we're not exactly the richest of folk.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Padge
It's a fact. Across the country, Labour voters at the moment pan out 75/25 for Remain over Leave.

As for Farage winning in Doncaster, as DO says, vote for him if you want the NHS privatised. Vote for him if you want his No1 tax policy, abolishing Inheritance Tax which will put fortunes into the pockets of millionaires and f**k all into the pockets of most folk in Doncaster. Vote for him if you want a party with, what one prominent BP bigwig calls "a Thatcherite ideology." Cos Thatcherism did wonders for Donny didn't it.

Put it bluntly. You're being played. You're being played by a bunch of City of London spivs who couldn't give two f**ks about you, and will use your support to piss all over Donny.

[scawsby steve]

Labour voters overwhelmingly are remainers? Try telling that to labour voting Doncaster with one of the highest leave vote percentage.
If the Brexit party stood in Doncaster they would wipe the floor with labour this year.

Take it from me Padge, the BP are definitely standing in Doncaster; but they badly need the Tories to make a pact and give them a free run in Northern Labour seats, and so far, the Tories have refused.

Even though it will be a close run thing, I can't really see Milliband being shifted in Doncaster North, although it pains me to have to say it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What you BP supporters need to reflect on is what the REAL intention of the BP is.

It's got nothing to do with Brexit. They want to weaponise and use genuine working class anger at the way the working classes have been shit on this decade. They want to use that to move British politics much further to the right. And that will be a catastrophe for the working class.

Vote for them by all means. But be man enough to accept that you're voting for the kind of scum that published that disgusting poster yesterday. Be aware of what sort of society they want, when the Brexit issues that they've lied to you about have faded away. If that's what you want to support, then vote for them. But don't kid yourself they give a shite about you, once you've done your job for them.

And every time you hear them telling you they are on your side against The Elite, be grown up enough to look at their backgrounds. How many of them are millionaire ex-public schoolboys. And ask yourself if you really want to be on their side.

[bpoolrover]

Does what school they went to really matter bst there are many labour mps that went to public school and there are many millionaires in the Labour Party are they not classed as the same?

[wilts rover]

Does what school they went to really matter bst there are many labour mps that went to public school and there are many millionaires in the Labour Party are they not classed as the same?

I dunno but with the Labour Party promising to raise income tax for the top earners and the Brexit Party promising to lower income tax for the top earners and scrap inheritance tax - which party do you think has policies which will benefit millionaires and which party will be taxing millionaires to pay for public services for the rest of us?

[albie]

Article explaining the Labour promise to produce cheaper drugs for the NHS:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2019/10/why-would-government-make-its-own-drugs

Big Pharma have been making a killing for too long!

[Ldr]

Many trusts make their own as soon as the drugs come off exclusivity already

[albie]

I think its a bit more than that, Ldr.

Alongside this is a proposal that drugs developed with the help of research supported by public funding should have to pay back that initial investment earlier.

A number of different ways to do this are under consideration.

For me, anything that reduces the cost of life saving medication to the NHS is worth looking at.
People denied treatment on the grounds of cost is just not right, if the drugs can be manufactured at a fraction of the cost.

[SydneyRover]

Many trusts make their own as soon as the drugs come off exclusivity already

Contract manufacture ldr?

[Ldr]

Nah, the trust where I work has a huge production facility for drugs. Typically manufacturers get a period of exclusivity on a new drug, following that anyone can manufacture it. This whole big pharma thing is an internet bandwagon.

[BillyStubbsTears]

John Le Carre, who knows a thing or two about the ruthless and unprincipled side of human nature once spent two years researching Big Pharma as background for his book The Constant Gardner. He said what he found shocked him to the core and made the things that happened in Cold War espionage look like kids playing about.

[Ldr]

I have no doubt that happens within the exclusivity period mate, none at all

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wasn't that. It was the unregistered testing of drugs in people in the third world, and the ways they had if ensuring that no-one blew the whistle on it.

[albie]

Lottery to get a reboot with Labour;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-promises-give-more-lottery-20556103

I wonder how much S Yorks puts into the lottery, and what comes back?
Anybody know?

[albie]

As we have a box with all the policies lined up, best to have a box with how to raise some of the money as well;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHPKKKjXkAALiD7.png

Get yer teeth into that, then!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

First observation, is that a double tax on health insurance?

Some of those are good sensible policies. Some are indifferent.

[albie]

BFYP,

Which are which, in your opinion.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BFYP,

Which are which, in your opinion.

Not got time for that, I will reply at some.point but not tonight.

[albie]

John McDonnell on the coming Labour manifesto;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOVy_InZ4v0

Treasury moving out of London.....I reckon Thurnscoe is the ideal location.
Can't wait!

[albie]

Update on the box of policies;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI9rlHKXkAIyBd9.jpg

Because it is the POLICIES we are voting on, right?

[Sprotyrover]

Recruit 5,000 more Prison Offiers, end short Prison sentences, close all Detention centres🤔

[SydneyRover]

Update on the box of policies;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI9rlHKXkAIyBd9.jpg

Because it is the POLICIES we are voting on, right?

Yes and no Albie, yes it’s about labour policies because you/they/I have a social conscience but no because it’s not a priority of many others and I’m not pointing the bone at anyone here in particular but if it applies to you don’t let fear hold you back and own it.

There are a great number of people that just don’t see a safety net, fairness, equality, public housing, a living wage etc as something that is high on their list. They may see loyalty in Brexit taking back control as against the wisdom that Brexit gives control to a cohort ready to exploit the very lack of oversight.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sydney.

You are in danger of sliding down the shit hole that has sucked many of us down on the Left from time to time.

Don't ever assume that people not on the Left don't have a social conscience.

Some people on all sides of the political debate don't. Some do.

The problem of the Left has frequently been to assume that because THEY know their policies are intended to provide the best for most people, EVERYONE should agree. Or they are immoral.

The world doesn't work like that. People can have genuine disagreements and still both be morally reasonable. Or unreasonable.

[SydneyRover]

Ah yes thanks, my you/they/I should quite correctly not be viewed as we are holier than thou.

[foxbat]

Tory Fibs


53 seconds pure television gold today  showing both Sky News & the BBC destroy the Tory fake news on Labour’s spending.
At one point, the Sky journalist struggles to contain their laughter at the ludicrousness of Tory claims

[albie]

Thread on proposed tax rises from Labour;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1194143413328863232

Anybody object to this?......no squillionaires to reply!

[albie]

Well, the squillionaires on here have all gone shy.
I assume then that they all agree it is a good thing to ask them to pay a bit more.

There is an interesting piece on the impact of the Labour plan to renationalise certain sectors;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalise-royal-mail-energy-water-savings-bills-national-grid-a9203636.html

It looks to be in the interest of the customer to me.
Anyway, lets here why not from a Spaffmeister fanboy!

[bobjimwilly]

some pretty good looking pledges in there