Upcoming General Election

[Donnywolf]

Hypothetically cos we cant know what will be happening tomorrow let alone next week / next Month but :
The total votes cast in the "Strong and Stable " Election in 2017 were 32,204,124

So if we have not crashed out or revoked Article 50 or left any other way and the Lib Dems say they will Remain - and Labour join them in supporting Remain along with the SNP and a few others it would not take much for them to amass more Votes for Remain than the Leave vote was in the Referendum already more than 3 years ago
Those three Parties got 16.1 million votes

So what would people think then ? Those in power who espouse the Will of the people - and who also say in the last General Election those Parties who had "honour the Referendum of 2016 in their manifestos won the day. So what would they say if 18.5 Million voted for Remain Parties in the next GE

[Ldr]

I'd be disappointed but accept it, without having hissy fits for the forseeable

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The real problem with this is saying it should be all about brexit, it shouldn't.  There are those who want to leave who may want to vote lib dems for example hence I feel it's an error for them staking it all on one extreme, much the same for the tories.  There is a real risk of a lot of voters feeling there is nowhere to go.

Who out there is championing a brexit deal for example?

Equally as someone who would prefer leave, but not leaving with no deal, I may yet still vote a remain party because I believe in some of the other policies more strongly. Framing it as just one topic election creates danger.

[Ldr]

BFYP I'm right there with you. At moment I would be spoiling my paper rather than affirming any of the parties

[Glyn_Wigley]

This is why the only solution to the political jam is a second referendum on a specific question. And a binding one this time, with the more stringent rules that would outlaw a lot of the bullshit stunts pulled last time.

[DonnyOsmond]

This is why the only solution to the political jam is a second referendum on a specific question. And a binding one this time, with the more stringent rules that would outlaw a lot of the bullshit stunts pulled last time.

100%.

[scawsby steve]

Hypothetically cos we cant know what will be happening tomorrow let alone next week / next Month but :
The total votes cast in the "Strong and Stable " Election in 2017 were 32,204,124

So if we have not crashed out or revoked Article 50 or left any other way and the Lib Dems say they will Remain - and Labour join them in supporting Remain along with the SNP and a few others it would not take much for them to amass more Votes for Remain than the Leave vote was in the Referendum already more than 3 years ago
Those three Parties got 16.1 million votes

So what would people think then ? Those in power who espouse the Will of the people - and who also say in the last General Election those Parties who had "honour the Referendum of 2016 in their manifestos won the day. So what would they say if 18.5 Million voted for Remain Parties in the next GE

There's one weakness in your argument Wolfie. None of the other parties will work with Corbyn in a coalition, and as the Tories are ahead in the polls, they'll probably get the most votes in a hung parliament, and won't vote to revoke Article 50.

[IDM]

The Tories don’t have a majority now, even with the DUP.

I wonder if anyone (Lib Dems) would try to propose a boom to revoke article 50 anyway, regardless of a GE looming.?

[scawsby steve]

The Tories don’t have a majority now, even with the DUP.

I wonder if anyone (Lib Dems) would try to propose a boom to revoke article 50 anyway, regardless of a GE looming.?

Ah, the good old Lib Dems, full of traitors and turncoats from both major parties.

On all the news broadcasts I've seen over the last 2 days, most of the journalists and presenters have suggested that the Lib Dems might as well take the word "Democrats" out of the title.

[selby]

 The main argument by remainer's is that many people have changed their minds, or have departed earth since the last referendum.
  On talkradio yesterday someone came up with a solution, have another referendum. with the same electorate people who were unable to vote last time barred from voting, and the exact same voting questions asked.
  Then add votes of both referendums together for a final decision, people on here would be happy some are dead, confident that lot's have changed their minds, but would have to start 1,700,000 approx down.
  Would you have the nerve?

[Glyn_Wigley]

The main argument by remainer's is that many people have changed their minds, or have departed earth since the last referendum.
  On talkradio yesterday someone came up with a solution, have another referendum. with the same electorate people who were unable to vote last time barred from voting, and the exact same voting questions asked.
  Then add votes of both referendums together for a final decision, people on here would be happy some are dead, confident that lot's have changed their minds, but would have to start 1,700,000 approx down.
  Would you have the nerve?

It's crap like that that makes me not listen to Talkradio.

[Donnywolf]

Hypothetically cos we cant know what will be happening tomorrow let alone next week / next Month but :
The total votes cast in the "Strong and Stable " Election in 2017 were 32,204,124

So if we have not crashed out or revoked Article 50 or left any other way and the Lib Dems say they will Remain - and Labour join them in supporting Remain along with the SNP and a few others it would not take much for them to amass more Votes for Remain than the Leave vote was in the Referendum already more than 3 years ago
Those three Parties got 16.1 million votes

So what would people think then ? Those in power who espouse the Will of the people - and who also say in the last General Election those Parties who had "honour the Referendum of 2016 in their manifestos won the day. So what would they say if 18.5 Million voted for Remain Parties in the next GE

There's one weakness in your argument Wolfie. None of the other parties will work with Corbyn in a coalition, and as the Tories are ahead in the polls, they'll probably get the most votes in a hung parliament, and won't vote to revoke Article 50.

Ah but - I see what you say but I didnt take it further that the Votes cast.

I wasnt bothered whether they all got together (or didnt) just that they may all 3 between them amass far more than the 17.4 Million votes for Leave in 2016

They (Lab Lib and SNP) got 16.1 Million in 2017 and I fancy the three of them would top that because the Libs (I think) will top 2.1 Million though with the stupid FPTP we run will probably get about 20 Seats

So it was more a case of all the Votes cast for Remain parties adding up to more than 17. Mill

[scawsby steve]

Hypothetically cos we cant know what will be happening tomorrow let alone next week / next Month but :
The total votes cast in the "Strong and Stable " Election in 2017 were 32,204,124

So if we have not crashed out or revoked Article 50 or left any other way and the Lib Dems say they will Remain - and Labour join them in supporting Remain along with the SNP and a few others it would not take much for them to amass more Votes for Remain than the Leave vote was in the Referendum already more than 3 years ago
Those three Parties got 16.1 million votes

So what would people think then ? Those in power who espouse the Will of the people - and who also say in the last General Election those Parties who had "honour the Referendum of 2016 in their manifestos won the day. So what would they say if 18.5 Million voted for Remain Parties in the next GE

There's one weakness in your argument Wolfie. None of the other parties will work with Corbyn in a coalition, and as the Tories are ahead in the polls, they'll probably get the most votes in a hung parliament, and won't vote to revoke Article 50.

Ah but - I see what you say but I didnt take it further that the Votes cast.

I wasnt bothered whether they all got together (or didnt) just that they may all 3 between them amass far more than the 17.4 Million votes for Leave in 2016

They (Lab Lib and SNP) got 16.1 Million in 2017 and I fancy the three of them would top that because the Libs (I think) will top 2.1 Million though with the stupid FPTP we run will probably get about 20 Seats

So it was more a case of all the Votes cast for Remain parties adding up to more than 17. Mill

Totally agree with you about the stupid FPTP Wolfie. I've been advocating STV for years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS

I fully agree with STV. It's vital when you have more than 2 options.

If only someone had thought of that before the Referendum...

[Geoff Blakesley]

BFYP I'm right there with you. At moment I would be spoiling my paper rather than affirming any of the parties

Why would you go to vote just to spoil your paper?

[Ldr]

Ppl fought for my right to express myself at the ballot box, I’m not about to ignore that

[foxbat]

would just go straight into the bin , where it belongs

[Padge_DRFC]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

[bobjimwilly]

When we vote in a general election there's obviously many issues we should be thinking about:
The Economy, Education, Healthcare, Social Security, Jobs, Policing, Communities, Equality, Foreign Affairs, National Security, Immigration

Out of interest when deciding who to vote for in an election, what is:
a) the single main issue that you consider
b) the least important "main" issue

For me, it's a) Education b) Immigration

[Glyn_Wigley]

But that begs the questions as to who gets to decide what's a 'main issue' though?

For me though, the big issue is the economy because everything else a Government wants to do flows from the economy giving them the means to do so.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Agreed Glyn.

We're in a horrible economic situation. We've had a decade of shocking economic performance (1) and we've a worse decade predicted. If we don't sort that out, nothing else really matters because we won't have the money to build the society that any of us want.

(1) On that note I head that smug t**t Cameron on the radio this morning, self-congratulatorily crowing that he fixed the broken economy and he fixed the broken society.

Jesus f**king wept. He sounded like he actually believed it...

[Ldr]

Much as you want it to come down to issues, I think you are kidding yourself if you believe in most peoples eyes that it doesnt come down to Johnson v Corbyn and who you want as PM

[Donnywolf]

Yeah = just that.

Become "Presidential" - voting for a Party and BOTH the people you mention are polarising opinion

2 things - perhaps we SHOULD become a Republic and operate with a President and Upper and Lower Houses but that is a discussion for another day

However as I have said many times before we should move to the much fairer PR system in some form or another

Throughout Europe ONLY 3 Countries do not use the fairer PR system . The UK Belarus and France - to me that says it all

[drfchound]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

I won’t vote for Labour but a vote in Doncaster for any other party is not worth making.
How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

[Bentley Bullet]

After the 2015 election UKIP gained 1 seat. Under the PR sytem they would have had 83!

[Padge_DRFC]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

I won’t vote for Labour but a vote in Doncaster for any other party is not worth making.
How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

If the Brexit party stands it won't be a waste

[bobjimwilly]

How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

How could he do a worse job than Cameron, May or Johnson though, seriously?

[DonnyOsmond]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

I won’t vote for Labour but a vote in Doncaster for any other party is not worth making.
How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

I've no issue with some socialism.

[drfchound]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

I won’t vote for Labour but a vote in Doncaster for any other party is not worth making.
How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

I've no issue with some socialism.

Neither have I mate, but come on, Corbyn as PM.

[DonnyOsmond]

It won't be a true reflection. Doncaster overwhelmingly voted leave. However it would never vote Torie. Labour would put in their manifesto they'd burn everyone's house down and they'd still win.

Boris needs to come to an agreement with Farage and the Brexit party need to stand in towns like ours against labour.

I won’t vote for Labour but a vote in Doncaster for any other party is not worth making.
How anyone could possibly want a government with Corbyn in charge is beyond comprehension.

I've no issue with some socialism.

Neither have I mate, but come on, Corbyn as PM.

I'd have him over Farage who only cares about making money off of Brexit, Johnson who only cares about Johnson, neither of which care about the country, or Swinson the Tory.