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Quote from: mushRTID on September 27, 2019, 04:12:49 pmHow can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??2 differences.1. The EFL cancelled the Brentford game, not the club. They would not allow either the kids to play on teh saturday, or Brentford to play on the first allowable re-arranged day (ie after the season).2. Brentford were in a league postition where awarding them 3 points made no difference to any other club. They were still guarenteed to finish in the same league position.If, and its a huge IF, the three points are awarded to yourselves without the game being played, there will be 20 legal complaints from the other clubs (Coventry would certainly be at the head of the list) , who will be punished by the awarding of yourselves the points.We will be deducted points, the game will be played later, and whe world will continue as always.The EFL could come out this very badly if the Independant panel (the FA based on remember) say that the EFL should have postponed the game when asked, in accordance with FA rules, and we do not get deducted any poits, and the game is played later.
How can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??
Quote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 02:26:52 pmQuote from: mushRTID on September 27, 2019, 04:12:49 pmHow can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??2 differences.1. The EFL cancelled the Brentford game, not the club. They would not allow either the kids to play on teh saturday, or Brentford to play on the first allowable re-arranged day (ie after the season).2. Brentford were in a league postition where awarding them 3 points made no difference to any other club. They were still guarenteed to finish in the same league position.If, and its a huge IF, the three points are awarded to yourselves without the game being played, there will be 20 legal complaints from the other clubs (Coventry would certainly be at the head of the list) , who will be punished by the awarding of yourselves the points.We will be deducted points, the game will be played later, and whe world will continue as always.The EFL could come out this very badly if the Independant panel (the FA based on remember) say that the EFL should have postponed the game when asked, in accordance with FA rules, and we do not get deducted any poits, and the game is played later.How could the EFL come out of this badly exactly? You didn’t even ask the EFL to postpone our match. You sent it out on Twitter when you decided you didn’t fancy it. Like you were, in some way, entitled to do what you want regardless of how it might affect another club and it’s fans. Don’t give us this kids rubbish. f it was valid then you would have asked the EFL and they would have granted it. You didn’t as you knew the answer. IYou decided not to play a game with no validation to do so from the league. You forfeit the match. End of. Not a single argument you can come up with has any credibility. You know why? Because you didn’t speak to the league or our club.
As a result of the decision our club, and fans, have been financially penalised and inconvenienced. We as a minimum should be compensated and taking all the above into account, we think the awarding of the points is justified.
QuoteAs a result of the decision our club, and fans, have been financially penalised and inconvenienced. We as a minimum should be compensated and taking all the above into account, we think the awarding of the points is justified.Agreed on the financial compensation. Disagree on you being given an advantage over every other club in the division.
Quote from: 5 on Tour on September 28, 2019, 05:24:47 pmQuote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 02:26:52 pmQuote from: mushRTID on September 27, 2019, 04:12:49 pmHow can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??2 differences.1. The EFL cancelled the Brentford game, not the club. They would not allow either the kids to play on teh saturday, or Brentford to play on the first allowable re-arranged day (ie after the season).2. Brentford were in a league postition where awarding them 3 points made no difference to any other club. They were still guarenteed to finish in the same league position.If, and its a huge IF, the three points are awarded to yourselves without the game being played, there will be 20 legal complaints from the other clubs (Coventry would certainly be at the head of the list) , who will be punished by the awarding of yourselves the points.We will be deducted points, the game will be played later, and whe world will continue as always.The EFL could come out this very badly if the Independant panel (the FA based on remember) say that the EFL should have postponed the game when asked, in accordance with FA rules, and we do not get deducted any poits, and the game is played later.How could the EFL come out of this badly exactly? You didn’t even ask the EFL to postpone our match. You sent it out on Twitter when you decided you didn’t fancy it. Like you were, in some way, entitled to do what you want regardless of how it might affect another club and it’s fans. Don’t give us this kids rubbish. f it was valid then you would have asked the EFL and they would have granted it. You didn’t as you knew the answer. IYou decided not to play a game with no validation to do so from the league. You forfeit the match. End of. Not a single argument you can come up with has any credibility. You know why? Because you didn’t speak to the league or our club. We did, and it wasn't granted.Tell you what.If it turns out that the club had in fact spoke to the EFL both before and after the Tranmere game about the welfare of youth players,and asking for games to be postponed, I'll let you buy me a pint at your place.If it turns out they didn't I'll buy you one.Heres the manager stating that very thing : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49383856I suppose you still want to be treated the same way Brentford were ?
The fact remains that Bolton took it on themselves to refuse to fulfill an official fixture, without going through the correct route. Essentially they didn’t show up.Forfeit the points. End of story.
What also ranks with us is the total disrespect and disregard for our club and fans the way Bolton went about it. No apology even. Did Phil Parkinson even attempt to speak to Darren Moore man to man to apologise and explain things? No.
OneandOnlySome of your 19 year olds playing twice in a week. This is the official excuse as far as I understand, although frequently maniplulated by saying three times in a week. Now isn't a week 7 days, since god created the earth as far as I know, except in Bolton in August 2019 - funny that.You had enough players to field a team of over 18s whereby none played twice in a week. You could have also signed players from lower clubs. Do you acknowledge Parkinson was given permission to sign players as mentioned above?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 28, 2019, 07:31:09 pmOneandOnlySome of your 19 year olds playing twice in a week. This is the official excuse as far as I understand, although frequently maniplulated by saying three times in a week. Now isn't a week 7 days, since god created the earth as far as I know, except in Bolton in August 2019 - funny that.You had enough players to field a team of over 18s whereby none played twice in a week. You could have also signed players from lower clubs. Do you acknowledge Parkinson was given permission to sign players as mentioned above?I know he was given permission to sign two players the morning of the Wycombe game (week one).I also know that the administrators refused to sign any other players during the admin (if the club didnt get sold, the administrators themselves would be responsible for the contracts, as they were not an existing commited expense on the day the club entered administration - See Hobbs, Jack).I also know that players will not sign a short term contract before the end of the window (and why would they?).So, whilst I understand your point on that, as always its not quite so simple.I wish it had of been.And once again, despite getting shedloads of abuse, my club was in the wrong. There Ive said it. Again.The only thing we really disagree with is the awarding the points to yourselves. That would be wrong.Can you confirm you want to be treated the same as Brentford ?
I know he was given permission to sign two players the morning of the Wycombe game (week one).I also know that the administrators refused to sign any other players during the admin (if the club didnt get sold, the administrators themselves would be responsible for the contracts, as they were not an existing commited expense on the day the club entered administration - See Hobbs, Jack).I also know that players will not sign a short term contract before the end of the window (and why would they?).So, whilst I understand your point on that, as always its not quite so simple.I wish it had of been.And once again, despite getting shedloads of abuse, my club was in the wrong. There Ive said it. Again.The only thing we really disagree with is the awarding the points to yourselves. That would be wrong.Can you confirm you want to be treated the same as Brentford ?
Quote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 07:45:32 pmI know he was given permission to sign two players the morning of the Wycombe game (week one).I also know that the administrators refused to sign any other players during the admin (if the club didnt get sold, the administrators themselves would be responsible for the contracts, as they were not an existing commited expense on the day the club entered administration - See Hobbs, Jack).I also know that players will not sign a short term contract before the end of the window (and why would they?).So, whilst I understand your point on that, as always its not quite so simple.I wish it had of been.And once again, despite getting shedloads of abuse, my club was in the wrong. There Ive said it. Again.The only thing we really disagree with is the awarding the points to yourselves. That would be wrong.Can you confirm you want to be treated the same as Brentford ?I appreciate you taking the time to come on here, despite the disagreements.So that's clear then, the admins took the decision not to sign players. That was the reason for not turning up for the game with us. That leaves no doubt that a choice was made, one that must have only one outcome ie the match awarded to the opposition. If not, then what is to stop any club from pulling a stunt in the future when they have injuries etc and are simply trying to save the odd few quid - because that's all this was, a cost saving exercise.Many players would be happy to sign for a League club whatever the transfer window, if they were paid enough, and in this example, up till the Jan transfer window. In fact many players would be happy to sign for one game or two whoch wouldn't effect their sale. That may result in shite players, but so be it, it's a chouce that was made not to do this.This isn't about Brentford it's about us and the exact circumstances that seem clear as day. The admins who were in effect your owners made a financial choice that in any league would result in the 3 points being given to the opposition. It's a forfeited game. There is nothing in this that can be considered a postponement. The lie the club has manipulatively used as an excuse re player welfare should render it for even further punishment.
BRR, just for accuracy, Phil Parkinson said it was he who took the decision not to sign players on short term contracts after the EFL said he could. He gave the reason as not being fair to those players as registering them may jeopardise their ability to play for anyone else.
Quote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 06:04:48 pmQuote from: 5 on Tour on September 28, 2019, 05:24:47 pmQuote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 02:26:52 pmQuote from: mushRTID on September 27, 2019, 04:12:49 pmHow can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??2 differences.1. The EFL cancelled the Brentford game, not the club. They would not allow either the kids to play on teh saturday, or Brentford to play on the first allowable re-arranged day (ie after the season).2. Brentford were in a league postition where awarding them 3 points made no difference to any other club. They were still guarenteed to finish in the same league position.If, and its a huge IF, the three points are awarded to yourselves without the game being played, there will be 20 legal complaints from the other clubs (Coventry would certainly be at the head of the list) , who will be punished by the awarding of yourselves the points.We will be deducted points, the game will be played later, and whe world will continue as always.The EFL could come out this very badly if the Independant panel (the FA based on remember) say that the EFL should have postponed the game when asked, in accordance with FA rules, and we do not get deducted any poits, and the game is played later.How could the EFL come out of this badly exactly? You didn’t even ask the EFL to postpone our match. You sent it out on Twitter when you decided you didn’t fancy it. Like you were, in some way, entitled to do what you want regardless of how it might affect another club and it’s fans. Don’t give us this kids rubbish. f it was valid then you would have asked the EFL and they would have granted it. You didn’t as you knew the answer. IYou decided not to play a game with no validation to do so from the league. You forfeit the match. End of. Not a single argument you can come up with has any credibility. You know why? Because you didn’t speak to the league or our club. We did, and it wasn't granted.Errm you didn't and just announced it on social media without asking the EFL or Donny purely financial by the administrators you couldn't afford to host two games in a week
Quote from: 5 on Tour on September 28, 2019, 05:24:47 pmQuote from: OneandOnly on September 28, 2019, 02:26:52 pmQuote from: mushRTID on September 27, 2019, 04:12:49 pmHow can they award Brentford the points but not us? What’s the difference??2 differences.1. The EFL cancelled the Brentford game, not the club. They would not allow either the kids to play on teh saturday, or Brentford to play on the first allowable re-arranged day (ie after the season).2. Brentford were in a league postition where awarding them 3 points made no difference to any other club. They were still guarenteed to finish in the same league position.If, and its a huge IF, the three points are awarded to yourselves without the game being played, there will be 20 legal complaints from the other clubs (Coventry would certainly be at the head of the list) , who will be punished by the awarding of yourselves the points.We will be deducted points, the game will be played later, and whe world will continue as always.The EFL could come out this very badly if the Independant panel (the FA based on remember) say that the EFL should have postponed the game when asked, in accordance with FA rules, and we do not get deducted any poits, and the game is played later.How could the EFL come out of this badly exactly? You didn’t even ask the EFL to postpone our match. You sent it out on Twitter when you decided you didn’t fancy it. Like you were, in some way, entitled to do what you want regardless of how it might affect another club and it’s fans. Don’t give us this kids rubbish. f it was valid then you would have asked the EFL and they would have granted it. You didn’t as you knew the answer. IYou decided not to play a game with no validation to do so from the league. You forfeit the match. End of. Not a single argument you can come up with has any credibility. You know why? Because you didn’t speak to the league or our club. We did, and it wasn't granted.Errm you didn't and just announced it on social media without asking the EFL or Donny purely financial by the administrators you couldn't afford to host two games in a week
Quote from: PDX_Rover on September 28, 2019, 06:23:08 pmThe fact remains that Bolton took it on themselves to refuse to fulfill an official fixture, without going through the correct route. Essentially they didn’t show up.Forfeit the points. End of story.So do you want to be treated the same as Brentford ?
So do you want to be treated the same as Brentford ?