Tory policies

[SydneyRover]

''From 40 hospitals to six: how the Tories' NHS numbers don't add up

Experts say it is hard to know how much new money Boris Johnson’s government intends to put into the NHS''

Anyone here work in the hospital system and would like to comment?

“On the face of it, the various schemes being pledged by the government certainly sound like substantial investment, but these piecemeal announcements are not the same as having a proper, multi-year capital funding plan,” said Richard Murray, chief executive of the King’s Fund, the health thinktank. “The lack of clarity around how the new schemes have been selected and how the pledges fit within the Department of Health and Social Care’s overall financial settlement makes it difficult to tell how generous the government is being.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/29/from-40-hospitals-to-six-tories-nhs-numbers-dont-add-up

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1178679316189601792?s=19

Fair play, not as good as what Labour put forward but at least they're trying.

Slight point, the youngest Millennials are currently 22/23, so will be 27/28 in 5 years so won't even be affected by this.

[Filo]

Here’s a tory jibe, it’s all uncosted

[i_ateallthepies]

John Peinnar discussing the spending promises on R5 tonight saying very little of it is new money.  The NHS money is a 12 month old pledge.  He mentioned several other examples currently being pushed by Johnson which were in fact provisioned by Hammond.

[Not Now Kato]

Never, in the field of human dishonesty, has so much been promised by so few to so many with so little to back it up.

[Filo]

Never, in the field of human dishonesty, has so much been promised by so few to so many with so little to back it up.

This new fangled 3D technology will sort it all out, ask Esther McVey, she’s well on the ball with Autocad 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[SydneyRover]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/29/ben-jennings-on-brexit-and-the-tory-party-conference-cartoon

[BillyStubbsTears]

Never, in the field of human dishonesty, has so much been promised by so few to so many with so little to back it up.

This new fangled 3D technology will sort it all out, ask Esther McVey, she’s well on the ball with Autocad 😂😂😂😂😂😂

https://mobile.twitter.com/christhebarker/status/1178662337001201664

3D an all. That'll be a challenge for some of the Leave supporters with their 1 dimensional arguments.

[albie]

Looks like Ian Dunkin Donut has come up with a big vote winner;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-raise-state-pension-age-18953679

Work until you drop.
Go down well on the doorstep canvassing, that will!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Most Tory voters have retired already and are busy pulling up the rope ladder behind them.

[albie]

Progress on the Tory manifesto;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/fracking-lobbyist-hired-to-draw-up-tory-manifesto-rachel-wolf?CMP=share_btn_tw

I am sure commercial considerations will not intervene.

[bobjimwilly]

Progress on the Tory manifesto;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/fracking-lobbyist-hired-to-draw-up-tory-manifesto-rachel-wolf?CMP=share_btn_tw

I am sure commercial considerations will not intervene.

I'm sure you're right.

Hey, look at that flying pig!

[SydneyRover]

''Tories act to prevent NHS crisis hitting election hopes

No 10 plans to set up emergency unit to oversee the service as doctors warn of ‘extreme pressure’''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/02/tories-act-to-prevent-nhs-crisis-hitting-election-hopes

What problem? the NHS is well run, well funded, well staffed and the patients are well, outsourcing is solving any problems that may pop up in this well oiled machine.

ere Marge wot's all this emergency funding for the NHS abart? George luv they're worried the tory party will get sick on Dec 12th, want another drink? 

[albie]

I don't know how many remember the manifesto pledge from 2015 to build "starter homes" at 80% of market price to help folk get their own place.

Well, here is how they got on:
https://www.channel4.com/news/no-starter-homes-built-despite-government-pledge-says-spending-watchdog

Now ignoring the fact that a 20% discount is too low to help most, and ignoring the need to expand the number of affordable homes in the rental sector, the sheer brass neck to completely disregard a promise made tells you how trustworthy these people are.

Unbelievable!

[bpoolrover]

Have to agree albie very poor, it’s not enough to help many people

[SydneyRover]

ere Marge wen was first art transplant? dunno why George?

no reason luv 

[SydneyRover]

Tory DNA-privatization-new management does same work with highly inflated packages-sets about reducing wages and conditions of general workforce-asset strips-takes profit-sells to overseas company.

''Royal Mail applies for high court injunction in attempt to stop strike

Company claims there were ‘potential irregularities’ in ballot of CWU members''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/08/royal-mail-applies-for-high-court-injunction-in-attempt-to-stop-strike

Not saying that all of this applies to this situation but how many academies have overpaid 'headmasters' etc

[SydneyRover]

24 awful policies you can't forget in the 2019 general election

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/should-not-vote-conservative-24-20828738

Reading through these do they say to you, yeah more of the same please I can't get enough or this is a bit sad really I thought they wanted Britain to be a better country & more inclusive.

[foxbat]

Tory Fibs


53 seconds pure television gold today , showing both Sky News & the BBC destroy the Tory fake news on Labour’s spending. At one point, the Sky journalist struggles to contain their laughter at the ludicrousness of Tory claims

[BobG]

I have a very good mate who paid for a flight to Thailand last year so he could go into one of their hospitals. The hospital fixed him up, after 2 years of utter failure by the NHS. The Thai doctor wrote a complete report on what was wrong, what had been done and how things would progress going forwards. When shown to the doctors in London who had failed to fix the problem, their general consensus was that the Thai doctor didn't know what he was talking about. Funny thing though, my mate is better. Cured. Fixed. How can that be? He pointed out to me that the NHS bill for medical negligence runs into the hundreds of millions a year. It is not a great health service. It can do wonderful things, it can do amazing things, but it makes a staggering number of serious mistakes, it delivers European and western world worst or near worst performances in all kinds of measures. We are blinded by our own arrogance once again....

One might wish to ponder why this should be? I can remember times when the NHS really was rather good indeed.

Cheers

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bob.

If you measure the NHS outcomes normalised against amount spent, it is regularly up at the top of global lists.

The fact that our medical outcomes are worse than France or Holland or Germany or Sweden,or many other places, is due to the fact that we spend far, far less of our national income on the NHS than they do on their health systems.

Labour from 97-10 made a big effort to bring our spend up to reasonable levels. The Tories have imposed a decade long freeze on spending. It hasn't gone up at all as a percentage of GDP while this lot have been in power.

That's another fact by the way. You lot who support the Tories and use the NHS. You are actively voting for an NHS that has become less effective over time. Because,regardless of what they claim,you cannot trust the Tories with the NHS. They don't believe in it. And they ALWAYS strangle it of funds.

Here's the evidence.


Remember, this is when we've had Tory Governments.

1951-64
1970-74
1979-97
2010-

And Labour Govts have been
1945-51
1964-70
1974-79
1997-2010.

Look at those dates.

Look at that graph

Absorb the fact that pretty much every other advanced country spends 9-12% of GDP in health care.

And ask yourself if you REALLY think the NHS is better looked after in Tory hands, rather than Labour hands.

Look at the graph. No Tory Govt has EVER left office with  the proportion of national income we spend on the NHS significantly  higher than when they took over.

Not one. Ever.

[SydneyRover]

Further to that if more was spent on prevention there would be less strain on the NHS system. If one has to wait 2 weeks to see a gp then anything could happen in that time from a cold/flu going away or developing into pneumonia.

[BobG]

I agree Billy. But that's not the point. It is a cost effective organisation. But it is not a good organisation. It is as good as the politicians in control of the pursestrings allow it to be. That was the point of my final remark.

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes I know Bob.

I don't do subtlety any more though. I take Churchill's advice.

When you have a point to make, hammer it home hard, once, twice, three times.

[i_ateallthepies]

Not sure it can even be said to be a cost effective organisation, Bob.  The way that spend on agency staff has grown over the years means money is being poured into the coffers of private enterprise when it could easily be spent on improving the service and/or employment conditions for those working in it.

[SydneyRover]

Smoke and mirrors?

Claim
Boris Johnson said that postponing a planned cut in corporation tax from 19% to 17% would allow £6bn investment in the NHS

Verdict
Johnson’s claim that reducing the corporation tax rate would reduce the overall take is in line with IFS and HMRC analysis, and his proposals should free up more money for the NHS as he promises. But his statement also sharply contradicts previous longstanding Conservative arguments that cutting corporation tax has increased the Treasury’s overall tax take.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/18/will-boris-johnson-corporation-tax-reversal-free-up-6bn-for-nhs

[foxbat]

TORY DEMOCRACY UPDATE
Break law in referendum
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Attempt unlawful prorogation
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Suppress report into Russian interference
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Introduce voter registration
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Prevent Parliamentary scrutiny of deal
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Set up fake fact-check
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Ban journalists you don’t like
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[foxbat]

Asked about CCHQ impersonating an independent fact-check service,
Dominic Raab says "we will always abide by the rules", untruthfully.

Twitter already said that the dishonesty of the Conservative party violated its terms of service.
Raab is now lying about his party's lying.

[Filo]

Asked about CCHQ impersonating an independent fact-check service,
Dominic Raab says "we will always abide by the rules", untruthfully.

Twitter already said that the dishonesty of the Conservative party violated its terms of service.
Raab is now lying about his party's lying.

Ralph Little (of The Royale Family fame) as been suspended by twitter for renaming his twitter the the exact name CPHQ named their twitter last night, CPHQ’s twitter is still active

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50492998

So National Insurance won't be getting cut then.

In the Tory Leadership campaign, he said he'd raise the threshold for paying 40% Income Tax to £80k. That one seems to have vanished, because he secured the votes of the Home Counties golf club set that he needed to win that vote. Now he's aiming for working class votes. And once he gets those...what's the betting he never said this?