River Don tide times

[BillyStubbsTears]

Went for a walk this morning, still coming out the don in to the canal at st oswalds church.  Still staggers me that the back gardens of unfinished new builds back on to the canal at that very point.

Terrible for all those affected. You have to question if Sheffields defences have made it far worse here.

I think there's a big issue about the defences at Sheffield pushing the problem downstream.

The Don at Lady's Bridge in Sheffield  topped out at a higher level than in 2007. Back then, the whole lower Don Valley was flooded from Kelham Island to Meadowhall. This time, there's been no flooding anywhere near the city centre. So inevitably, that water has stayed in the Don further downstream.

And there is a political aspect to this.  One of the major cutbacks in the early Austerity days was on flood defences. That's why you end up with this sort of not joined up situation. Utterly, utterly stupid. Flood defences are one thing that pay for themselves very rapidly through saving the massive losses that are going to result from this disaster.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Look at Table 1 on p4 here.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05755/SN05755.pdf

Utterly shameful.

[drfchound]

The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go

The Don is tidal as well isn't it.

[Filo]

The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go

The Don is tidal a well isn't it.

yes up to sprotborough falls I think


The Trent, Ouse and Aire are all tidal as well

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Look at Table 1 on p4 here.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05755/SN05755.pdf

Utterly shameful.

Indeed it's an area that should really be spent on.  Arguably they'll say it has performed better, your last post sums up that it has in Sheffield. But here it is getting worse and there needs to be a review.  Ultimately aswell there more we build on wasteland and flood land the less scope there is for storage and natural drainage of water.

The area I used to live in near Tesco balby is a prime.example.  Natural wetland that has houses on it. Where does that water now go? Same with the iport.  As we build more there has to be defences with it. Perhaps, we should consider building upwards a little more.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I couldn't agree more on all points BFYP.

[Colemans Left Hook]

some waffle on here from 2009 about newbuilds  if anyone is interested

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7772/pps25guideupdate.pdf



praising Doncaster on about a sequential test (reminds you of Sequentia Capital ??)

Case studyDoncaster – an example of successful local application of the Sequential TestDoncaster Council’s Forward Planners worked closely with the Environment Agency to produce their ‘Flood Risk Policy Guidance Note’ to aid Sequential Test implementation. The note has been approved by Council members and has been afforded weight by the Planning Inspectorate in a number of dismissed appeals. The note is a ‘living document’ to allow for improvements to be made, but will eventually be translated into an Supplementary Planning Document.The note clarifies how national guidance on the Sequential Test will be applied to the Doncaster area. It resolves common queries about when and where it must be applied, who has responsibility for undertaking it, and how it will be applied for common development types.The note has promoted understanding and consistency between Local Authority Development Control Officers, given applicants a better idea of what to include in their applications, and given developers greater certainty, early in the process, about whether their development is likely to pass the Sequential Test or not. Ultimately, it has resulted in a number of developments being successfully steered away from flood risk areas.

shows phot of Flooding in Rostholme, Doncaster, June 2007

[Donnywolf]

The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go

The Don is tidal a well isn't it.

yes up to sprotborough falls I think


The Trent, Ouse and Aire are all tidal as well

Not quite Filo

It has to stop at the Weir just before Chappell Drive (behind CF Booth Scrap). You see this clearly on the left side of the train.

The next Weir behind Prison would be "it" as far as the tide was concerned if that one was not there

Trying for Photo (just zoom out)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.531712,-1.1338682,55m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

[Filo]

Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures

[drfchound]

Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures

Funny you should say that Filo.
I had to pick up some paperwork from someone in Stainforth yesterday and decided to be nosy and had a walk up to the bridge to see how high the water was.

I saw that the water level was higher than the arch under which the water normally flows and was saying to another bloke there that it could put pressure on the bridge and make it unstable.

I also thought that it might apply to the wall on the right hand side (as you look towards Fishlake).

Am I right in thinking that the bridge was strengthened after the 2007 floods after something similar happened.
Also, I think I am right in saying that the bridge is very old.

[Filo]

Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures

Funny you should say that Filo.
I had to pick up some paperwork from someone in Stainforth yesterday and decided to be nosy and had a walk up to the bridge to see how high the water was.

I saw that the water level was higher than the arch under which the water normally flows and was saying to another bloke there that it could put pressure on the bridge and make it unstable.

I also though that it might apply to the wall on the right hand side (as you look towards Fishlake).

Am I right in thinking that the bridge was strengthened after the 2007 floods after something similar happened.
Also, I think I am right in saying that the bridge is very old.

The Bridge is listed, and yes it was strengthened after the 2007 flood, as was the West Bank flood wall which is now starting to look unstable

[drfchound]

Mmmm, I hope it holds out for the sake of everyone on that side.
The water level is considerably higher just now than the properties over the wall.

[Filo]

Mmmm, I hope it holds out for the sake of everyone on that side.
The water level is considerably higher just now than the properties over the wall.

About 8ft higher

[SydneyRover]

''The flood waters may be receding, but anger rises in weary Doncaster
Torrential rain has cost one life and blighted communities that feel they are being left to fend for themselves''

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/09/flood-waters-receding-but-anger-rises-in-weary-doncaster

added

Davison’s garden, bequeathed by his late father, was destroyed, causing “thousands of pounds of damage”. “I’m on UC [universal credit],” he says. “I couldn’t afford insurance.”

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

[Filo]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane

[BillyStubbsTears]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Shocking pib. Really, really sorry to hear that. But's the usual day-to-day problems into perspective.

I wish you every bit of luck on pulling things round.

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane

Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.

It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.

[Filo]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane

Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.

It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.

I thing the problem is, and you most probably know this, water is still coming over the Nab wall and near the Old Don cutting, just adding to whats already gone over, it will just keep spreading until the River level goes down, which it hasn’t all day. I’ve seen pictures of the Cricket Club which is half submerged in water

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Shocking pib. Really, really sorry to hear that. But's the usual day-to-day problems into perspective.

I wish you every bit of luck on pulling things round.

Cheers BST.

Perspective shifts pretty quickly - just glad to be out of the way with working amenities and a place to sleep tonight.

We’ll see how everything else works out over the coming days.

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane

Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.

It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.

I thing the problem is, and you most probably know this, water is still coming over the Nab wall and near the Old Don cutting, just adding to whats already gone over, it will just keep spreading until the River level goes down, which it hasn’t all day. I’ve seen pictures of the Cricket Club which is half submerged in water

Seems like it Filo. The reason so many have evacuated is that it’s just not subsiding, possibly for days to come, even though some areas aren’t really rising much.

The fact that the water seems to have basically flowed like a river along Trundle Lane and then Pinfold Lane suggests you are spot on. If the issue was further downstream(?) (East), the church and the H&H Pub would be under water instead.

[Filo]

The good news is the River is falling now, next hight tide around 6pm, so hopefully it will have stopped overflowing by then

[Donnywolf]

However 8 hours rain midnight tonight some of it "heavy"

[glosterred]

Posted on the Doncaster Council twitter feed about 30 mins ago

FLOOD UPDATE:
⚠️Six severe flood warnings remain in place for Fishlake, Barnby Dun, Kirk Sandall, Kirk Bramwith, Sounth Bramwith & Bentley Rise. This means there is a risk to life in these areas. The Environment Agency expect these warnings to stay in place for at least 24 hours.

⚠️For those of you who live in Fishlake – we have set up a dedicated rest centre in Stainforth today to offer advice, guidance and support, to find out more call our public information line on 01302 735688.

⚠️The Environment Agency advise that they do not expect flood waters to start to go down for at least the next 24 hours in Fishlake, we expect that it will be at least 48 hours until you can return to your homes, if not longer.

Residents who are unable to stay with family or friends can still access the rest centre which will be operational for as long as is needed.

⚠️URGENT Fishlake residents have been advised to evacuate, if you are still in Fishlake call 01302 735688 so we can organise evacuation immediately by South Yorks Fire and Rescue. We can only offer dedicated support to people who are not in an area where there is a threat to life

⚠️Bentley Rise residents (inc. Yarbrough Terrace, Hunt Lane, Frank Road, Riviera Mount, Riviera Parade & Willow Bridge) our communities staff are on the ground providing information, advice & guidance. We continue to work to @EnvAgency guidance that this is a severe risk area.

⚠️Residents from other evacuated areas are advised to call our dedicated public information line for further updates on when they may be able to return home 01302 735688.


Sounds as the residents in those area have not seen the last of this flooding just yet

[Filo]

The river has dropped by a metre since 6am

[SydneyRover]

'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities

Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities

[TheDonnyPop]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-weather-public-urged-to-stay-away-from-swollen-rivers-amid-extensive-flooding-11857056

We're saved.

[Filo]

'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities

Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities

They won’t go because there were reports of looters, they want to stay and protect their belongings

[Filo]

I’ve seen pictures of Coffins floating around at Wrights Funeral Directors on Trundle Lane

[Prez]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Really makes me angry reading this Pib, hope you manage to sort something. Sandbags at 5-30 saturday morning??? Why so late?? Do the council not have an emergency action plan and if so how do they implement this properly? It was so obvious by Thursday tea time that we were looking at a repeat of 2007 yet so bloody slow to get things moving.

Reactive as always not proactive.

Best wishes Pib