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[SydneyRover]

'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities

Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities

They won’t go because there were reports of looters, they want to stay and protect their belongings

correction

No criticism from me Filo, just posting infomation as I find it.

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Really makes me angry reading this Pib, hope you manage to sort something. Sandbags at 5-30 saturday morning??? Why so late?? Do the council not have an emergency action plan and if so how do they implement this properly? It was so obvious by Thursday tea time that we were looking at a repeat of 2007 yet so bloody slow to get things moving.

Reactive as always not proactive.

Best wishes Pib

Thank you Prez.

Not sure really. Can only assume they were caught out by it. I really would’ve expected some sort of warning earlier in the evening, even if they thought there was a 5% chance of flooding, but there was nothing. It screams incompetence like you say.

[drfchound]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

[Filo]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business

[pib]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

Yeah I think Filo has hit the nail on the head. Thankfully we're covered!

Feel very sorry for Mrs Webb at Truffle Lodge though. Terrible situation which I hope she can get rectified.

[Filo]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

Yeah I think Filo has hit the nail on the head. Thankfully we're covered!

Feel very sorry for Mrs Webb at Truffle Lodge though. Terrible situation which I hope she can get rectified.

Pib, not sure how far on you are with your claim, if at all, but I’ve seen things on Facebook about a public loss adjuster that you can bring in on your behalf to deal with the insurance company to ensure they don’t cut corners on restoring your property, they claim their fee from the insurance company, not you

[drfchound]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business

I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the river as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.

[Filo]

And Boris has just taken the piss, each affected household will be eligible for a £500 grant from the Government. That won’t cover the clean up, never mind the repair bills

[Filo]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business

I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.

I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse

[drfchound]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business

I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.

I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse

Possibly Filo, but there will be Insurance Companies out there who will insure properties like that.
It may cost a bit more but surely it would be worth it.

[Padge_DRFC]

If she made a complaint and went all the way to the FOS she would win this case if it wasn't made clear as day to her that flood cover has been withdrawn. The days of small print and getting away with that are over.

[Filo]

The Army have arrived at Stainforth, three Army lorry’s in the Central car park

[Donnywolf]

Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.

Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.

A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.

Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.

The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!

Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.

Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?

You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business

I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.

I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse

I have the Canal in my back garden - and a small river / Boating Dyke piped up under my garden. I am asked each time I get a quote - are you within 400 metres of a water course and I answer yes. I have never been refused and hope it continues to work like that

 

[selby]

The Labour led council have had a shoeing this morning on TV for their actions in the flood areas, health and safety issues I suppose while the local farmers got in their tractors and got on with the job of helping.
   I will just highlight that point again, the Labour led council, that reside in the brand new very expensive Waterdale area of Doncaster (only the best will do) have let the people who vote for them down again.

[SydneyRover]

You live in Chatsworth House Selby

[Donnywolf]

I think in time that the review of how Fishlake came to flood will be centred on :

a) something I did not know about till last week that the banks are lower on that side to protect Harfield Main (pit) from flooding

AND just as importantly - moreso

b) Sheffield was protected after last times floods (2007) by massive flood defences. It doesnt take a genius (and I dont pretend to be one) to realise if you build 15 feet high walls along the Don for miles and miles the water within it stays within it till the wall ends

OK thats a simplistic view but very soon Rotherham will have a similar scheme and then Denaby Bentley and Fishlake will then be susceptible again unless and until they are similarly protected.

It does not really matter who turns up to mop up - and score points in Stainy Library - it has to be surely the old adage that prevention is better than cure

[selby]

  Wolfie, the flood gates for the Ebeck and Went are just as big a problem for that area, when they are shut, which is when the Don is in flood the two rivers back up onto their flood plains, mainly farm land, but has hamlets dotted about it that have for years had housing slowly built on.
  Most of the areas effected has flooded in the past, and was managed and improved over time by organisations such as the Went drainage board (which may or may not still exist, I don't know) and much more  management was put into drainage such as diking and land drains by the land owners  which is mostly now seen as an unnecessary cost, on the approach to Pollington Dikes have actually been filled in to farm up to the road edge those fields now having standing water in them.
  Dredging the main water ways was also an activity, if there is two foot of silt in the Don river bed in the fishlake area, it makes the river bank two foot lower for flood water. The authorities  including local councils don't seem that bothered, they have now accepted a once in a lifetime risk where most of the cost will be borne by the private land and house holders through their insurance to put right, and if any infrastructure of roads etc in those areas such as Fishlake need doing they can be put back by closing such as the small bridge to Thorne  and diverting traffic.
  Meanwhile they will still put loads of money into vanity projects, ring fenced pensions, excessive pay to heads of departments, knowing that they can depend on the local electorate to return them until the cows swim home.

[Wild Rover]

I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.

As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.

[Axholme Lion]

http://www.wmc-idbs.org.uk/IoAaNN/

This is a vital service in my locality.

[drfchound]

I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.

As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.

You lived in Fishlake until you were 30 and your mother until 2002.
Crikey WR, your mother had a very long life mate. 😉

[Donnywolf]

I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.

As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.

I was a Stainyite from 51 to 73/74 and I cant remember dredging either tbh - though I have seen some on Don near Thorne

I do remember some massive Floods about 1960 +/- a couple of years. Lots of those interviewed said no houses had been flooded for 100 years so the water obviously did not make it up as far as it has this time

Bet it was "bonny" when the Old River ran at the back of the Anchor and the Post Office !

[selby]

  The upper Went valley, in the Wentbridge,Smeaton, Norton area was  always  dredged out periodically, the area from the A19 north of Askern across the fields to the north of Fenwick to Sykehouse  being flood plain between those villages and to the north Pollington Snaith and Cowick.
   Lots of that area is flooded at the moment as the Went backs up, but basically is working as it should and has receded slightly.
 Lot's of youngsters learnt to swim in the Askern area either at Smeaton Crags as it was called as a youngster, a well known picnic area at  the time for people from the Upton, South Elmsall, Norton Askern  villages, or the cutting near the A19 bridge formed when the Went burst its banks  in the early 1920's/30,s and flooded large parts of Fenwick, Moss, Askern area and new flood banks were built and the river re-directed.
  Most of the work was done between two world wars, when things were not good for the working man, but authorities took their responsibilities more seriously, councillors were mainly unpaid, and there was a  will to get up and sort things out, and less of people in office trying to cut costs at other peoples expense

[wilts rover]

http://www.wmc-idbs.org.uk/IoAaNN/

This is a vital service in my locality.

Yes agreed. However as far as I am aware they only manage the drains in the area, the rivers are the responsibility of the environment agency.

[Sprotyrover]

Respect to the lads and lasses of the RRT rapid relief team,of the Plymouth Bretheren, and its smashing to see the fantastic community spirit in the area. I' m just wondering now about the Dunn Drainage scheme, the older folks on here will recall how back in the 80's we had miles and miles of water meadows ranging between Askern and Thorne West to East and the Don and Went south to north. That area soaked up a lot of water in winter. I recall the raised ledges in the meadows for the cattle to get out of the water.over the last 30 years that land has to a large degree been dried out by the Dunn Drainage scheme and the consequence has been a proliferation of 2/300 acre fields appearing as the old 2/3 acre meadows and hedrows have been ripped out. Certainly the greedy farmers have been benefiting from this but it's surely an option to build a Drainage system from new sluice gates on the Don to divert excess water onto that land which could become new wetlands a bit like the scheme at Adwick on dear ie which covers an area equivalent to 90 football pitches. What do other site members have to say?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The loss of floodplains is an interesting point. When I was a kid, the land on the north side of the Don between Cadeby pit and Denaby Pastures used to flood pretty much every year. The old bridge over the Don between Denaby Crossings and the old Meccy power station (where Denaby Leisure Centre is now) used to be closed regularly because of water getting up to the road level. That floodplain must have acted as a buffer to reduce the flow in through Donny and beyond.

I remember a massive flood in 75 or 76 and that floodplain was submerged for more than a week. I don't remember any major problems downstream that year.

Over the past 30 years, most of that land has been built on and the banks of the Don have been built up and it rarely floods on that side now.

That water has to go somewhere downstream...

[wilts rover]

Here's a radical one for you. Extend Thorne Moors/Hatfield Waste.

One of the best ways of soaking up/holding a lot of water is sphagnum moss as it can hold 20 times its own weight of water. There is already a project under way to restore the upland peat bogs on the Pennines so as to reduce the run off.

Remodel the Don to allow it to flood onto the Moors, probably somewhere north of Thorne. It is fairly easy to regulate the water level on the moors in the summer so as to allow room for drastic heavy rainfall at this time of year.

It is after all where the water used to go before Vermuyden drained it.

https://www.moorsforthefuture.org.uk/our-purpose/reducing-the-risk-of-flooding

[Axholme Lion]

The loss of floodplains is an interesting point. When I was a kid, the land on the north side of the Don between Cadeby pit and Denaby Pastures used to flood pretty much every year. The old bridge over the Don between Denaby Crossings and the old Meccy power station (where Denaby Leisure Centre is now) used to be closed regularly because of water getting up to the road level. That floodplain must have acted as a buffer to reduce the flow in through Donny and beyond.

I remember a massive flood in 75 or 76 and that floodplain was submerged for more than a week. I don't remember any major problems downstream that year.

Over the past 30 years, most of that land has been built on and the banks of the Don have been built up and it rarely floods on that side now.

That water has to go somewhere downstream...

I couldn't believe it when they built all those new house in Mexborough on Pastures Road. Surely it was asking for trouble?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. The houses on Pastures Road are fine. They are built on land that rises up from the river and that area didn't used to flood anyway from memory.

I'm talking about the land from the other side of Pastures Road right down to by Conisbrough station, where Cadeby pit used to be.

[Axholme Lion]

No. The houses on Pastures Road are fine. They are built on land that rises up from the river and that area didn't used to flood anyway from memory.

I'm talking about the land from the other side of Pastures Road right down to by Conisbrough station, where Cadeby pit used to be.

That was always an iffy area for flooding going back years.

[glosterred]

Doncaster sacrifice to save Sheffield

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1194723494174560259