General Election 2019 - 12th December

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm just correcting it on both threads.

[Padge_DRFC]

Anyone watching question time now? Sturgeon by far the best so far. Swinson having a hard time and losing votes every second.

[Filo]

Just watched 15 minutes or so before the wife turns it over for the jungle, Johnson is getting ripped a new arsehole by the audience

[Herbert Anchovy]

Anyone watching question time now? Sturgeon by far the best so far. Swinson having a hard time and losing votes every second.


My scores on the doors:-

1. Sturgeon
2. Corbyn
3. Johnson
4. Swinson

Sturgeon always has an advantage during these debates as she’s not looking to lead the majority of the country. She’s speaks well and comes across as honest and straightforward. Corbyn went down better than I expected and the audience seemed largely sympathetic to his views. Johnson struggles with anything non Brexit and comes over as a modern day Richard Nixon in the honesty stakes. Swinson was an utter car crash throughout.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The issue with Sturgeon is that her central economic policy is an utter disaster. But because the majority of people in Scotland don't want to be told that, she gets a free pass.

Scotland, as an independent country, with no subsidy from the rest of the UK would have a massive deficit.

Worse, a Scotland that had a massive deficit and kept the Pound would not have an independent monetary policy. They'd do whatever the Bank of England decided.

The one thing that the EU debt crisis in 2011 showed, was that countries with massive deficits and no independent currency and Central Bank were f**ked when they tried to borrow on the money markets to fund their debt.

In simple terms, if Scotland was independent and kept the Pound (which has been SNP policy for years, they'd be in precisely the same situation as Greece in 2011.

And to make it even worse, their economic case for independence was heavily based on them getting the majority of North Sea oil income, and the price for oil never dropping below $110/barrel.

This is what the price of oil has been over the past few years.



The nasty part of me wishes that the SNP had won the Independence Referendum in Sept 2014. There'd have been riots within months as the consequences hit home and they'd have been pleading to rejoin the UK within a year.

Instead, the SNP was saved from its own Braveheart romantic stupidity. And now they are coming back for another go.

[Herbert Anchovy]

One thing that’s standing out for me in this election are the number of politicians who are being caught out by journalists. On the Andrew Neil show recently he asked an SNP MP how Scotland would meet the EU fiscal requirements should they leave the Union but remain in the EU. The guy waffled about saving money by removing Trident from the Clyde. When it was pointed out that this would lose up to 12,000 jobs he went into a meltdown. He then went on to say that an independent Scotland wouldn’t move to the Euro but continue to use Sterling!! Quite insane.

He’s not alone though. I’ve seen representatives from all parties caught out. Not least the guy from the Tory party yesterday who didn’t know when their manifesto would be coming out!

Bunch of chancers the lot of ‘em.

[The Red Baron]

i don't tend to go on the polls as daft as it sounds,i tend to go on the bookies odds,when it comes to money they don't often call it wrong..Although there is one decent bet out there..

Conservative Overall Majority  4/9
No overall majority                 7/4
Labour Majority                     25/1

Got to say i'm tempted at that 7/4

It looks a good bet. In 2017 I thought the Polls were overestimating the Tory lead and I think they may well be doing so again. We could well end up with a HoC looking not a great deal different to how it did in 2017.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The big possibility for Labour is the utter shit show from Swinson last night.

The way the Tories get a massive majority on 40% of the vote is for Labour and the LDs to split the anti-Tory vote. If left-leaning LD supporters watched last night, they know that Swinson is an utter shambles. So it's big decision time. Vote for her and you WILL get Johnson as unfettered PM.

[Herbert Anchovy]

The big possibility for Labour is the utter shit show from Swinson last night.

The way the Tories get a massive majority on 40% of the vote is for Labour and the LDs to split the anti-Tory vote. If left-leaning LD supporters watched last night, they know that Swinson is an utter shambles. So it's big decision time. Vote for her and you WILL get Johnson as unfettered PM.

I admit to being biased here cos I really can’t stand the woman but she was really, really bad last night.

[Bentley Bullet]

In politics, like everything else, it's always easier to be right because you have fewer people to convice. That, and that alone will decide the winner of this General Election.

[roverstillidie91]

Interesting article...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6686639/Jeremy-Corbyn-drove-friends-flat-WANTED-Diane-Abbott-naked-bed.html

[bpoolrover]

https://apple.news/AAAgxBKs4R9eK7V5mtRZL5Q seems tories don’t want to say how they will  pay for things like labour

[wilts rover]

In politics, like everything else, it's always easier to be right because you have fewer people to convice. That, and that alone will decide the winner of this General Election.

'But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother'

[Filo]

Interesting article...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6686639/Jeremy-Corbyn-drove-friends-flat-WANTED-Diane-Abbott-naked-bed.html

Why is it interesting

[Bentley Bullet]

In politics, like everything else, it's always easier to be right because you have fewer people to convice. That, and that alone will decide the winner of this General Election.

'But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother'

"No question now what has happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which."

[Bentley Bullet]

It might snow more if the EU decides to pull its nice weather from our shores.

[DonnyOsmond]

https://apple.news/AAAgxBKs4R9eK7V5mtRZL5Q seems tories don’t want to say how they will  pay for things like labour

They didn't in 2017 and just attacked Labour saying there isn't a magic money tree.

[SydneyRover]

Fmd murdoch is going all out, but I'm sure the thinking voter will see passed his push to take over all the uk 

[drfchound]

Fmd murdoch is going all out, but I'm sure the thinking voter will see passed his push to take over all the uk 

Past, not passed.

[SydneyRover]

Ta bb

[Herbert Anchovy]

Child Poverty to rise under the Conservatives says the Think Tank Resolution Foundation.

And yet people will STILL vote for them?

Is this a case of ‘I’m alright Jack’?

[foxbat]

A 51 year old man from Rotherham has been arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm for attacking a 72 year old Labour campaigner going house to house with his walking stick.
The campaigner was taken to hospital with a broken jaw. 

What is wrong with these people?

[idler]

Imagine the headlines if had been a Tory campaigner?

[SydneyRover]

Especially Johnson 

[bpoolrover]

It’s out of order people should be safe no matter what there opionion is, a Tory campaigner was also subjected to a barrage of a abuse, and was told to go somewhere else go to a white country again out of order

[DonnyOsmond]

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

See who you side with.

[wing commander]

It would appear I'm a tory...lol

[BillyStubbsTears]

More on the Right wing press.

This headline from The Express today.

"Boris' Tories soar as public turn on Swinson following disastrous BBC QT outing - new poll"

Actual figures in the poll show

Con +1
Lab +2
LD -3

[Filo]

That Laura Kunsenberg, or however it’s spelled has been in full spin mode today since the NHS news came out

[Ldr]

Link pls BST