General Election 2019 - 12th December

[scawsby steve]

Someone on here a few weeks ago suggested that the only way that we could prevent Labour winning Doncaster would be for the Brexit Party to put a Candidate forward.
That would still require a massive switch in voters changing over to them.
In my case, in the referendum I voted to remain so I couldn’t vote for the Brexit Party and I guess that would apply to lots of people.
The way I see it is that if I vote a Labour I just increase their winning margin by one.
If I vote for some other party I just reduce the Labour Party win by one vote.
There is no way that Labour won’t win in Doncaster.

I agree Hound, but I think Milliband's majority will be greatly reduced. Especially if the weather is bad.

[drfchound]

Someone on here a few weeks ago suggested that the only way that we could prevent Labour winning Doncaster would be for the Brexit Party to put a Candidate forward.
That would still require a massive switch in voters changing over to them.
In my case, in the referendum I voted to remain so I couldn’t vote for the Brexit Party and I guess that would apply to lots of people.
The way I see it is that if I vote a Labour I just increase their winning margin by one.
If I vote for some other party I just reduce the Labour Party win by one vote.
There is no way that Labour won’t win in Doncaster.

I agree Hound, but I think Milliband's majority will be greatly reduced. Especially if the weather is bad.

......and also Rosie Winterton and Caroline Flint?

[scawsby steve]

Someone on here a few weeks ago suggested that the only way that we could prevent Labour winning Doncaster would be for the Brexit Party to put a Candidate forward.
That would still require a massive switch in voters changing over to them.
In my case, in the referendum I voted to remain so I couldn’t vote for the Brexit Party and I guess that would apply to lots of people.
The way I see it is that if I vote a Labour I just increase their winning margin by one.
If I vote for some other party I just reduce the Labour Party win by one vote.
There is no way that Labour won’t win in Doncaster.

I agree Hound, but I think Milliband's majority will be greatly reduced. Especially if the weather is bad.

......and also Rosie Winterton and Caroline Flint?

Seeing as Donny voted 69% to leave, Flint's majority ought to increase . Either way, she'll get in again.

[bpoolrover]

My grandad was knocked down by a hit and run driver in Denaby. Broke his leg. He died 4 months later.

Never dawned on me to base my entire opinion of folk from Denaby in that example.

she will see it rightly or wrongly that if they were not hear he would still be alive, I’m sure many people would feel the same way it’s not always possible to think with a clear mind when angry and grieving

See, I could have thought, while grieving, that if everyone from the 20 acre estate in Denaby were not here, my grandad would have been knocked down.

But then I knew some grand folk from the 20 acre. And it would have been stupid to blame all of them for what one Kitson from there did.

everyone is not the same thou are they!

[drfchound]

Someone on here a few weeks ago suggested that the only way that we could prevent Labour winning Doncaster would be for the Brexit Party to put a Candidate forward.
That would still require a massive switch in voters changing over to them.
In my case, in the referendum I voted to remain so I couldn’t vote for the Brexit Party and I guess that would apply to lots of people.
The way I see it is that if I vote a Labour I just increase their winning margin by one.
If I vote for some other party I just reduce the Labour Party win by one vote.
There is no way that Labour won’t win in Doncaster.

I agree Hound, but I think Milliband's majority will be greatly reduced. Especially if the weather is bad.

......and also Rosie Winterton and Caroline Flint?

Seeing as Donny voted 69% to leave, Flint's majority ought to increase . Either way, she'll get in again.

Which is backing up what I said mate.
I don’t foresee Labour ever not winning in Donny.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Someone on here a few weeks ago suggested that the only way that we could prevent Labour winning Doncaster would be for the Brexit Party to put a Candidate forward.
That would still require a massive switch in voters changing over to them.
In my case, in the referendum I voted to remain so I couldn’t vote for the Brexit Party and I guess that would apply to lots of people.
The way I see it is that if I vote a Labour I just increase their winning margin by one.
If I vote for some other party I just reduce the Labour Party win by one vote.
There is no way that Labour won’t win in Doncaster.

I agree Hound, but I think Milliband's majority will be greatly reduced. Especially if the weather is bad.

......and also Rosie Winterton and Caroline Flint?

Seeing as Donny voted 69% to leave, Flint's majority ought to increase . Either way, she'll get in again.

She doesnt have a huge majority..Milliband does, the others not so much. Would take a big swing and highly unlikely but never know.

Worth noting this is not about brexit solely, it's for 5 years. Plenty of people will vote on far more than brexit.

[BillyStubbsTears]

My grandad was knocked down by a hit and run driver in Denaby. Broke his leg. He died 4 months later.

Never dawned on me to base my entire opinion of folk from Denaby in that example.

she will see it rightly or wrongly that if they were not hear he would still be alive, I’m sure many people would feel the same way it’s not always possible to think with a clear mind when angry and grieving

See, I could have thought, while grieving, that if everyone from the 20 acre estate in Denaby were not here, my grandad would have been knocked down.

But then I knew some grand folk from the 20 acre. And it would have been stupid to blame all of them for what one Kitson from there did.

everyone is not the same thou are they!

f**k me, I never thought of that!

[DonnyOsmond]

Flint is the one most likely to lose her seat but I doubt she will. The Brexit Party being new are an unknown and in this area will probably take voters off both Labour and Tories but not enough and to a point Flint still takes the win.

[wing commander]

   The fact that people are actually considering the possibility of Labour not winning in Doncaster tells you all you need to know about their prospects..

[SydneyRover]

So pretend for a minute we don't know and explain it to us WC

[wing commander]

My grandad was knocked down by a hit and run driver in Denaby. Broke his leg. He died 4 months later.

Never dawned on me to base my entire opinion of folk from Denaby in that example.

she will see it rightly or wrongly that if they were not hear he would still be alive, I’m sure many people would feel the same way it’s not always possible to think with a clear mind when angry and grieving

See, I could have thought, while grieving, that if everyone from the 20 acre estate in Denaby were not here, my grandad would have been knocked down.

But then I knew some grand folk from the 20 acre. And it would have been stupid to blame all of them for what one Kitson from there did.

   Well good luck with trying to persuade her on that point Billy..The bottom line for her will always be that 2 Romanians with long criminal historys in their own country,were freely allowed to come over here and within 3 months had been arrested twice for shoplifting then broke into her brothers flat,robbed him,beat him up and a month later she was burying..

   Now immigration isn't really a issue for me but whilst I always respect your opinion even though it's polar opposite to mine,i would advise that if your going to try and persude her she's wrong I would do it 5 paces back

[wing commander]

So pretend for a minute we don't know and explain it to us WC

It doesn't take much working out Sydney surely??? You could put a red rosette on a donkey in Donny and it would get in so if people are discussing the possibility of that not happening in even one seat.How do you think they will get on in all the marginal they need to get a majority???

[SydneyRover]

No. please indulge me and call it as you see it.

[wing commander]

  The way I see it is that Labour have more chance of becoming the third party in this election than they do winning it..but that's just my opinion of course

[SydneyRover]

Thanks WC

[Ldr]

I agree with Swinson, neither Johnson or Corbyn are fit to be prime minister

[SydneyRover]

Corbyn may be left wing, too far for some and exaggerated by by the Murdoch press but he's not dishonest, untrustworthy, serial liar, philanderer, perpetrator of violence. In fact he's a moderate when it comes to war.

[IDM]

My grandad was knocked down by a hit and run driver in Denaby. Broke his leg. He died 4 months later.

Never dawned on me to base my entire opinion of folk from Denaby in that example.

she will see it rightly or wrongly that if they were not hear he would still be alive, I’m sure many people would feel the same way it’s not always possible to think with a clear mind when angry and grieving

See, I could have thought, while grieving, that if everyone from the 20 acre estate in Denaby were not here, my grandad would have been knocked down.

But then I knew some grand folk from the 20 acre. And it would have been stupid to blame all of them for what one Kitson from there did.

   Well good luck with trying to persuade her on that point Billy..The bottom line for her will always be that 2 Romanians with long criminal historys in their own country,were freely allowed to come over here and within 3 months had been arrested twice for shoplifting then broke into her brothers flat,robbed him,beat him up and a month later she was burying..

   Now immigration isn't really a issue for me but whilst I always respect your opinion even though it's polar opposite to mine,i would advise that if your going to try and persude her she's wrong I would do it 5 paces back

Of course any one individual is going to have those thoughts as a victim of a horrendous crime.

The problem is in the wider context of other people putting 2 and 2 together and making 17.4 million..

My other half is an EU citizen but she isn’t a criminal - not even 3 speeding points - and I can’t imagine her ever becoming one..

But because some immigrants are criminals, some of our population would rather she wasn’t here.?

There’s plenty of British criminals too..

[SydneyRover]

I grew up and went to school with the influx of commonwealth immigrants, you know those people from the countries we invaded and ruled and didn't have a problem. One place where I worked was like the UN and the hundreds that worked there all got along. I now live in a country which as far as mixed culture is concerned is like a giant London and we love it, restaurants/food from everywhere in the world in fact when it's Ramadan we go to the areas where night food is available. I just don't get racism, passive or otherwise.

[Bentley Bullet]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

[SydneyRover]

Too true bb we certainly don't want any more conservatives 😊

[IDM]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

I may disagree with your first line - to a point.

I believe that some, perhaps many people and in both sides will react with their opinions and votes only to “headlines” rather than the details behind them.

I’m not saying that is wrong either, as no one can be an expert on everything.

[Not Now Kato]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

But we always had the capability of controlled immigration BB, it's just that successive Home Secretaries decided not to implement it!  Oh, and do undesirables wear a badge?  Or do you determine that by skin colour?

[wing commander]

    What will be interesting is how this campaign develops.Will domestic policy's take precedent or will it become another brexit bunfest.The libs will be keen for that as it's their only attraction and they know it.I'm not sure Labour will want it brexit dominated tbh,If anybody watched Peston last night already Labour Mp's are producing their own leaflets stating their own opinion on brexit even if it's contrary to party policy..

They would much rather promote their spending plans on domestic and enviromental policy's i'm sure..Above i've predicted a tory majority but we've seen before momentum in a campaign can go a long way so i guess you cant rule anything out.One things for sure this will be a election like we've never seen before..

[Donnywolf]

(I dont count this as a B****t thread so can post on here. I am still avoiding the news as well !

Lib Dems as you say "a one trick Pony" will want that issue front and centre and will launch I suspect saying a vote for us gets Article 50 repealed / or a Second Referendum. They were toting Swinson as PM - SERIOUSLY ?

Labour - we will have to see how they pitch. Corbyn personally was always a Leaver whereas May was always a Remainer. Irony eh ?

Labour as a Party moved more and more to a second Ref / confirmatory Vote and lets see if they finally have the nerve / bottle to do it. They will try like mad to get the Election fought on the ills of the Country under the Tories but will fail (only imo) and it will become a head on clash over one issue.

Johnson knew it was the only way he could get it done because (again only imo) a 2nd Ref would have resulted in Remain winning - so he finally got a green light to go for GE courtesy of Lib Dems and SNP caving in

As you say WC this will be an Election the likes of we well me will not have seen before.

I would laugh like mad if at 10pm and 15 seconds on the 12th the Exit Poll says " BONG we are heading for a hung Parliament" and is right of course . Another wasted loads of money and time we will never get back

[BillyStubbsTears]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

We CAN currently keep out persistent criminals from other EU countries. Theresa May chose not to do so while Home Secretary, preferring to make up stories about criminals being prevented from being deported by the ECHR because they had a cat.

The idea that the EU insists we allow criminals to wander across our border is just one of the myths that gets peddled by the Leave side and repeated through ignorance.

[keith79]

Can we have a revote I dint know what I was voting  for

[scawsby steve]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

But we always had the capability of controlled immigration BB, it's just that successive Home Secretaries decided not to implement it!  Oh, and do undesirables wear a badge?  Or do you determine that by skin colour?

Who brought skin colour into this thread apart from you? Some of you need to get off your moral high horses.

[BillyStubbsTears]

On tactical voting, the important point is whether the seat is within range. If you are in one of the target marginals, vote for the most likely challenger.

Here are the Labour target marginals;
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour

There are lots of sites encouraging people to vote "tactically" for candidates who have no chance of winning.
Explained here:
https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/10/beware-of-dodgy-tactical-voting-sites.html

Beware snake oil salesmen!

Who'd have thought it? Tactical voting is a difficult one to call and there may be folk lifting folks shirts?

The opposition parties have had a year to form a Popular Front against Johnson-ism and they have spent more time sniping at each other instead. Now, it's looking like the only realistic way of preventing a Johnson majority is for their supporters to somehow do the impossible and figure out which anti-Johnson candidates are best placed, in a political environment in which there has been massive churn in support.

Good luck with that.

And here's the problem with expecting folk to work out who to vote tactically for as an anti-Johnson vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1189544666062045185

Truro's obvious int it? Labour were a fraction off winning in 2017.

Except, oh yeah. According to the polls, Labour's support has halved since 2017 and the LDs' support has more than doubled. And if you factor that in, the LDs would be clearly the challenger here.

And in that mess, you've got two different sites giving two different messages.

Like I say,there's been a year to sort out a formal anti-Johnson front and that year has been pissed away.

[bpoolrover]

Maybe labour and the Lib Dem’s could merge prob be best idea bst?