General Election 2019 - 12th December

[rtid88]

Ha! Pretty sure some of my previous comments on this thread haven't made me any friends but I just say it as I see it! 

[Ldr]

Oh Billy don't get me wrong I'm no fan of Boris.Which is why I'm in a difficult position of were I actually cast my vote this election.My Politics are centre based, so right now I do not have a party that I can truly relate too or represents what I believe in.I've always believed that if you cant be bothered to vote then you lose credibility to complain but I'm beginning to wonder.The conservatives in their current guise are far to far right,however on the other hand I'm no socialist and couldn't vote for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn,mainly based on his foreign policy and that I'm ex military..

   The main reason I criticise Labour so much on here is for a couple of reasons,firstly this forum is mainly Labour supporters and it wouldn't be much of a debate if we only heard one sides view,secondly it's my belief that the best goverments we have had are the ones were we have a strong opposition,it's my belief rightly or wrongly that the reason the Tory's have been able to get away with what they have is because the current opposition are so weak...Even you must shake your head and wonder how Labour have found themselves in this position against such a unpopular Government..

If the current Labour leadership was true centre/left with a different leader they would be on the verge of power..

Agree with everything you say there WC!

Same feeling here

[selby]

  Gina Miller is campaigning not for one party, but to tactically vote for a party who you  may not necessarily agree with, just to stop Brexit.
  How can that be  democratic, reflect the real wishes of the electorate, and is any different from foreign countries trying to effect the result? and it is getting air time on the BBC, when she should possibly be locked up, and who is funding her? are they really any different from being Hedge funds dabbling in politics to effect an outcome? I await with interest the opinions of the lefties on here, who have complained about big business funding political parties for years for their self interest.

[bpoolrover]

It’s not about the mps having a free vote for labour, the leave voters want to no that there won’t be a 2nd referendum as the remain want to no that they are, what labour are offering is nothing, vote for us and we will see what Happens on brexit

Bpool.

Forgive me for being blunt, but your post shows a worrying inability to process facts.

I'll repeat.

Labour's policy is crystal clear.

If Labour is elected, there WILL be a second Ref, between a Leave deal that Labour will negotiate with the EU, and Remain.

WingCo.

As I posted last night, were you up in arms about the Tory party not having a common policy on May's Deal? If not (and I don't recall you decrying it at the time) then why do you criticise Labour for not saying if they would campaign for Leave or Remain in Ref2.

This is an issue that goes entirely against party discipline. The current PM has flipped his thinking on precisely what form of Brexit we should have at least 4 times, and that after flipping from being a strong Remain supporter to a passionate Leaver.

If you aren't going to condemn him, why criticise Labour? Who is to say labour will get a better deal that people will back, you seem to think they will but that does not mean it will satisfy many other people let alone mps, and as said labour could well vote against there own deal! So the leave vote that vote labour will pretty much get shafted can you not see that’s a ridiculous way to do it, I don’t know why they don’t just say they will revoke article 50 then people no what there voting for

[SydneyRover]

  Gina Miller is campaigning not for one party, but to tactically vote for a party who you  may not necessarily agree with, just to stop Brexit.
  How can that be  democratic, reflect the real wishes of the electorate, and is any different from foreign countries trying to effect the result? and it is getting air time on the BBC, when she should possibly be locked up, and who is funding her? are they really any different from being Hedge funds dabbling in politics to effect an outcome? I await with interest the opinions of the lefties on here, who have complained about big business funding political parties for years for their self interest.

Maybe you clarify your post a bit so people can reply, you appear to be rambling Selby

[wing commander]

Now this might just shed a bit of light on the real reason that Labour wont set a position on leave or remain.

Rupa Huq who is/was a Labour Mp just dissolved has tweeted the following...

Happy to have signed @remain_labour plegde
-For a #peoples vote AND
-against  any brexit

Now nearly 100 signatures!!

Now that is nearly half the last bunch of Labour Mp's and is the real reason they wont commit..

[wing commander]

Now this might just shed a bit of light on the real reason that Labour wont set a position on leave or remain.

Rupa Huq who is/was a Labour Mp just dissolved has tweeted the following...

Happy to have signed @remain_labour plegde
-For a #peoples vote AND
-against  any brexit

Now nearly 100 signatures!!

Now that is nearly half the last bunch of Labour Mp's and is the real reason they wont commit..

[SydneyRover]

https://twitter.com/RupaHuq/status/1193944991581773824/photo/1

[idler]

The last three Prime Ministers have been absolutely atrocious and JC is the alternative to Boris. Does anybody on here approach the future with any confidence?
Should Boris get in with a decent majority and we crash out of the EU does anybody know of any politicians at the moment capable of dealing with the EU or the rest of the world?
I certainly don't irrespective of who takes the reigns.

[SydneyRover]

I think if Corbyn gets in and the new vote says leave he won't lie to the country, he won't spend time shagging around, he won't do a deal with trump/US if it means screwing over the NHS but he will put an end to Austerity and make the playing field a bit more level for those not earning a fortune and protect their rights.

[selby]

Sydney, his next big job may well be setting out his allotment for next spring

[BillyStubbsTears]

Those of you who say all politicians lie.

Here's the BBC running fact checks on Labour's claims about Tory cuts to flood and fire services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50395117

They find that every claim is supported by the facts.

[foxbat]

The Germans are cock-a-hoop about the 10,000 jobs Tesla is creating near Berlin
because Brexit made it too risky to build a factory in the UK.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Filo was saying the other day what a shambles Kwasi Kwarteng was when interviewed.

I missed this car crash on Sunday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1193450658193641472

Kwarteng: Labour is going to spend this precise and huge amount and it will bankrupt the country.

Sophie Ridge: How much are the Tories going to spend.

Kwarteng: I'm not going to come on here and bandy numbers.

He is beyond awful. I've got politics ingrained in my DNA, but I'd walk away from it if every politician was like him. He never, EVER discusses issues. He's sent out to blunderbuss a party line that they e decided to ram home.

Every interview with him goes along these lines.

Interviewer: I'd like to ask you about X

Kwarteng: Long monologue about Y

Interviewer: That's very interesting. Could we now get back to X.

Kwarteng: Oh I'm not here to talk about X. (Reels off a list of untruths about X, then repeats monologue about Y.)


That is PRECISELY the sort of politician who makes the electorate think that all politicians are t**ts.

[drfchound]

The Germans are cock-a-hoop about the 10,000 jobs Tesla is creating near Berlin
because Brexit made it too risky to build a factory in the UK.

We that can be blamed on those people who voted to leave then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting.

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-election-polls-tracker-labour-creeps-up-on-tories-as-brexit-party-loses-support-a4285976.html%3famp

Since the start of the campaign, the Tories' poll share hasn't changed.

Labour's has gone up by 6-7 points.

LD, Green and BP all dropped.

So...is that Labour pulling supporters back from Farage, now Farage has openly placed himself as a Johnson enabler?

[wilts rover]

A little maybe Billy but the two main factors are supposed to be:

Labour's campaign to get people to register to vote - 1.3 mill new voters now and still rising

Remain voters returning +19 points since May

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194311198948384768

That's before yesterday and todays announcements from Swinson sacking the candidates in Canterbury and High Peak for wanting to stand aside and imposing a new candidate from central office without/against local wishes. Appears to have angered a lot of the twitterati

[BillyStubbsTears]

NHS?

Safe with the Tories?

https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1194916813739569152

My arse.

THIS is what happens when you freeze the amount of national income you put into the NHS for a decade,while need and cost are rising.

You older folk who support the Tories, but who are statistically increasingly likely to be relying on the NHS as you get older. Doesn't this concern you?

[Donnywolf]

Never voted Tory in my life - Never would - Voted Remain (bucking the Silver vote it seems) - still hoping we somehow "stay in" thus respecting the will of the people in the 1st Referendum AND YES ... the NHS situation is very very worrying

It is building up almost exponentially

[Ldr]

Wolfie we respected the 75 referendum and stayed in the EEC. The EEC no longer exists, if it had remained economic and not changed to the political EU then nothing would have triggered the referendum into EU membership. The 2016 is the only referendum into EU membership. 75 ref is not relevant

[Not Now Kato]

Wolfie we respected the 75 referendum and stayed in the EEC. The EEC no longer exists, if it had remained economic and not changed to the political EU then nothing would have triggered the referendum into EU membership. The 2016 is the only referendum into EU membership. 75 ref is not relevant

Tell me, Ldr, how has the political side of the EU affected you in a negative way?

[Donnywolf]

Ldr

We will have to agree to disagree on 75 Referendum

Sure times have changed - I have to agree - not least the Title of the EEC / EU but despite 8 times more people voting to Remain (join) the EEC in that Referendum than the 4% that voted Leave in 2016 the (mainly) Tory MPs and their successors could not "let it go"

The people themselves made no great fuss (indeed I voted Leave in 75 and never mentioned it again for years) it was the MPs themselves and they had an open sore to keep scratching again and again UNTIL Cameron caved in and gave them the Referendum which has led us to where we are right now

As I have said before I voted Remain this time so am currently 0 for 2 !

[SydneyRover]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

[scawsby steve]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

I'll answer it instead then Sydney. The EU leaders are unelected. That's undemocratic, and you know what us Leavers think of a lack of democracy.

[Ldr]

Hi Sydney, watching the match sorry. My reasons for voting leave have been made very clear in discussions with yourself and BST. NNKs question is irrelevant to my statement.

[Bentley Bullet]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

What do you mean 'doing a BB?'

[SydneyRover]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

What do you mean 'doing a BB?'

I didn't say that 

[SydneyRover]

''Tell me, Ldr, how has the political side of the EU affected you in a negative way?''

I think this was the question Ldr

[Ldr]

''Tell me, Ldr, how has the political side of the EU affected you in a negative way?''

I think this was the question Ldr

Yes mate, saw that, my circumstances are irrelevant to a general point

[SydneyRover]

Not speaking for Kato here but how has the EU changed politically, Ldr?